Mentor Meeting 17 May 2023
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<p>Mentor Meeting 17 May 2023</p>
<p>This meeting is the start of our weekly meetings leading up to the event.</p>
<p>This meeting is on 17 May in the #mentoring channel on Drupal Slack at 2000 UTC. This meeting is text-only, no audio or video, and is asynchronous so everyone can join in as they're available for about 24 hours. After that’ll we'll capture notes from the threads.</p>
<p>Please add agenda items by editing this issue summary or commenting below.</p>
<p>Draft Agenda</p>
<p>:drupal-mentoring: :drupal-mentoring: :drupal-mentoring:<br>
Hello everyone. Welcome to the Drupal Core Mentoring Meta Meeting! This meeting is a bit informal and we're hoping to bust out some action items.</p>
<p>➤ is text only!<br>
➤ happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously.<br>
➤ refers to various issues and plans tracking in the mentoring project on d.o: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/mentoring">https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/mentoring</a><br>
➤ :star: Please comment on the meeting agenda [<a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361088]">https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361088]</a> so we can grant you credit for attending/contributing!</p>
<p>:zero: Roll Call! Who’s here today? Comment in a thread here to introduce yourself, include your drupal.org name, and if you're up to it, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?</p>
<p>:one: :zero: Action item one. Spreading the word about mentoring at DrupalCon. Issues have been created. Each issue has a link to a google doc that can be improved and used as a space for collaboration</p>
<p>:one: :one: [META] Create copy for DrupalCon NA 2023 mentoring program: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3358612">https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3358612</a></p>
<p>:one: :two: Create social media copy for DrupalCon NA 2023 mentors: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361023">https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361023</a></p>
<p>:one: :three: Create newsletter copy for DrupalCon NA 2023 mentoring program: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361024">https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361024</a></p>
<p>:one: :four: Distribute copy for DrupalCon NA 2023 mentoring program to the social media managers: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361026">https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361026</a></p>
<p>:Two: Please review these roles and see if there's a good fit, if you can co-lead, or would like to be mentored for a specific role.</p>
<p>Mentoring lead opportunities.<br>
- [planning lead](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentored-contribution-event-planning-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentored-contribution-event-planning-lead</a>)<br>
- [mentored contribution room leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-room-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-room-lead</a>)<br>
- [novice issue triage leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/novice-issue-triage-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/novice-issue-triage-lead</a>)<br>
- [booth leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-booth-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-booth-lead</a>)<br>
- [communications leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentor-communications-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentor-communications-lead</a>)<br>
- [first-time workshop leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/first-time-contributor-workshop-lead">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/first-time-contributor-workshop-lead</a>)<br>
- [community tools leads](<a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/community-tools-lead-for-mentoring">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/community-tools-lead-for-mentoring</a>)<br>
- mentored contribution welcome area leads</p>
<p>:three: BoFs are scheduled. Please add them to your schedule. If you would like to lead a BoF and be mentored on how to, please comment.</p>
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<li>Mentor orientation 1: Monday, 5 June at 3p-4p in RM 326 at tables 1 & 2</li>
<li>Mentor orientation 2: Tuesday, 6 June at 9a-10a in RM 326 tables 1 & 2</li>
<li>Issue queue triage: Tuesday, 6 June at 3p-4p in RM 326 tables 1 & 2</li>
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<p>:four: Open floor/other topics. Please start a new thread.</p>
<p>That's it for now! Continue the conversation in the threads above or below and in issues. Remember to post in the meeting issue or in the roll call thread! And volunteer!!!!</p>
<p>Slack link:<br>
<a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C4K9UPX9P/p1684353565002219">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C4K9UPX9P/p1684353565002219</a></p>
<p>Meetings notes from slack:</p>
<h2>:drupal-mentoring: :drupal-mentoring: :drupal-mentoring:Hello everyone. Welcome to the Drupal Core Mentoring Meta Meeting!This meeting is a bit more informal than usual and we're hoping to bust out some action items.➤ is text only!➤ happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously.➤ refers to various issues and plans tracking in the mentoring project on d.o: <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/mentoring/issues/3361088" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3361088: Mentor Meeting 17 May 2023</a></span>] so we can grant you credit for attending/contributing!</h2>
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<h2>0️⃣ Roll Call! Who’s here today? Comment in a thread here to introduce yourself, include your drupal.org name, and if you're up to it, what did you eat for lunch yesterday?</h2>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>AmyJune, volkswagenchick, lead mentor. Yesterday for lunch I enjoyed some local fresh fruit I picked up at the Farmer's Market in Santa Cruz/</td>
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<td>Rolando Scott</td>
<td>Rolando Scott, rolandoscott, i had steak.. it was great</td>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>The opposite of me!! HAHA</td>
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<td>mradcliffe</td>
<td>Matthew, mradcliffe, it's been a while :sadparrot:, I ate gouda, vegetables with homemade hummus yesterday.</td>
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<td>Elli Ludwigson</td>
<td>Elli, ekl1773. Uhm. I think i had a piece of bread with peanut butter and jelly?</td>
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<td>Gregg Marshall</td>
<td>Gregg, greggmarshall, left over Arby's classic</td>
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<td>Amanda Marshall</td>
<td>Amanda, Amarshall, chicken nuggets</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>:wave: Just catching up before bed (in the UK still). Edit: My username is the same as my Slack display name. :wink: (edited)</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>For lunch yesterday I had yummy Mediterranean food on the bank of the Thames with other committers!</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Derek, dww most places (here, d.o, GitLab, GitHub). For lunch yesterday, I finished the large bowl of fruit, nuts, seeds, yogurt, olive oil and spices that I made for breakfast.</td>
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<td>Martin Anderson-Clutz</td>
<td>Martin, mandclu, had leftover middle eastern food</td>
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<td>Matthew Ramir</td>
<td>:wave: Matt from Denver! u/crasx. Yesterday I had a chicken salad. The chicken was awful but I love me some greens</td>
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<td>Urvashi Vora</td>
<td>Urvashi Vora aka urvashi_vora on Drupal.org.Yesterday, I enjoyed hoom cooked meal by my mom, the meal included mix vegetable gravy and Chapati (Indian bread) with a side of pickle made from raw mangoes. I loved it... Mmmmm:yum:</td>
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<td>Phil Frilling</td>
<td>Late to the party... Phil, pfrilling.I think I had a turkey sandwich :thinking_face:.</td>
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<td>Sarah Corbine</td>
<td>Also late late to the party… Sarah, scorbine. I had potato leek soup mmmmm</td>
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<td>Kristen Pol</td>
<td>Kristen, catching up, I’m amazed people remember what they had for lunch yesterday… of course i graze all day so what is lunch anyway? I did eat a very garlicky Dal (lentils) my husband made at some point in the day and I always have dark chocolate all the time</td>
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<h2>1️⃣ . 0️⃣ Spreading the word about mentoring at DrupalCon. Issues have been created. Each issue has a link to a google doc that can be improved and used as a space for collaboration. (edited) </h2>
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<h2>2️⃣ Please review these roles and see if there's a good fit, if you can co-lead, or would like to be mentored for a specific role.Mentoring lead opportunities.- planning lead - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentored-contribution-event-planning-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentored-contribution-event-planning-lead-</a> mentored contribution room leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-room-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-room-lead-</a> novice issue triage leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/novice-issue-triage-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/novice-issue-triage-lead-</a> booth leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-booth-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentoring-booth-lead-</a> communications leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentor-communications-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/mentor-communications-lead-</a> first-time workshop leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/first-time-contributor-workshop-lead-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/first-time-contributor-workshop-lead-</a> community tools leads - <a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/community-tools-lead-for-mentoring-">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/role/community-tools-lead-for-mentoring-</a> mentored contribution welcome area leads</h2>
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<td>mradcliffe</td>
<td>I'm so far behind on the year, but I will try to figure out my what I can do given how behind I am with everyone this week. I am still within driving distance at the very least.</td>
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<td>Phil Frilling</td>
<td>I've not mentored yet at an in-person event, so I'm reluctant to be a lead. I would definitely need some mentoring for one of these roles.</td>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>Thanks Phil!</td>
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<td>Chris Weber</td>
<td>@AmyJune (volkswagenchick) I am eager to help lead (or solo lead even) the use of Community Tools.That's where I've spent most of my time in the past during Contribution day.</td>
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<td>Chris Weber</td>
<td>The inclusion of DDEV / Gitpod is likely going to be new to a large number of contributors and I'm eager to make that process go well.</td>
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<h2>3️⃣ BoFs are scheduled. Please add them to your schedule. If you would like to lead a BoF and be mentored on how to, please comment.Mentor orientation 1: Monday, 5 June at 3p-4p in RM 326 at tables 1 & 2Mentor orientation 2: Tuesday, 6 June at 9a-10a in RM 326 tables 1 & 2Issue queue triage: Tuesday, 6 June at 3p-4p in RM 326 tables 1 & 2</h2>
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<td>Rolando Scott</td>
<td>I'd love to lead a BoF</td>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>An idea can be that you go to the first orientation, and then lead the second?</td>
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<td>Phil Frilling</td>
<td>I would like to be mentored on how to lead.</td>
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<h2>So one should show up on Wednesday and check in? First time mentoring but am pretty involved with #bugsmash and #needs-review-queue-initiative so hoping to help in those areas</h2>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>Feel free to attend one of the mentor orientations as well.</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Yeah one of the orientation BoFs is potentially pretty useful if you are able to make Monday or Tuesday, because there are some specific considerations for in-person mentoring. Or, well, it's been a number of years since I was able to help with the BoFs but that's the kind of thing we would talk about. 🙂</td>
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<td>Stephen Mustgrave</td>
<td>I’m there all week!</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Yayy!!!</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Please introduce yourself to me when you get the chance; it will be great to meet in person 🙂</td>
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<td>Stephen Mustgrave</td>
<td>Absolutely! My top goal is to actually meet some of the people I chat with so much haha</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Wish I could join y'all in person! Alas, bad timing for me this year...</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>Yeah the BoFs also give you a great opportunity to meet 🙂</td>
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<h2>4️⃣ . 2️⃣ I guess this is more anecdote than thread, but there was some discussion at the committer onsite about the "Novice" issue tag, where other committers were discussing the problem of the novice tag being on not-novice things, and I explained both that there was an entire handbook page dedicated to explaining what is/isn't a good novice issue, and that every DrupalCon has a pre-sprint session that is basically untagging as many badly tagged novice issues as possible. :joy:The specific example given was the novice tag being added to issues for arbitrary CSS changes. Back in 2011, small CSS changes might have been novice issues, but they are definitely not anymore because:They have to be manually tested in multiple browsers with multiple breakpoints.A single change can have very wide-ranging impacts on completely different pages than the one covered in the issue, and it requires knowledge about the theme and about Drupal to know where that might happen.Modern CSS is a fully-fledged language with its own architectural paradigmsD10's default themes use PostCSS, which adds a layer of complexityEven if the contributor is familiar with modern CSS architectures, they would also have to understand Drupal-specific things like the Stable base theme and the restrictions on which changes to which themes are allowed in which branches.Etc.Examples of novice tasks related to CSS might be:Manual testing in a single browser, or for a breakpoint that wasn't taken into account in previous manual testingCorrecting a specific coding standard that doesn't have a functional impactEtc.(edited)</h2>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Is it worth trying to get an effort together to review / triage issues with the tag before DC?</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Well, untagging mis-tagged novice issues is always worthwhile. 🙂 OTOH the sort-of-opposite -- trying to come up with a list of issues for a sprint in advance -- can result in a lot of sunk time because there's so much churn and because freshly, correctly tagged, actionable novice issues often get snapped up right away.We switched to doing novice issue triage during the event for a few reasons -- because of the churn, because the marathon leading up to DrupalCon is tiring, and because it also doubles as mentor onboarding when we do it during the event. (edited)</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Sounds great, thanks! Much better.</td>
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<td>Matthew Ramir</td>
<td><a href="https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/reference-information/event-plan/contribution/setting-up-for-new#whatDidn’t">https://www.drupal.org/community/contributor-guide/reference-information/event-plan/contribution/setting-up-for-new#whatDidn’t</a> know this was a thing! love! Maybe we can capture this somewhere? Do we maybe need an intermediate tag for things that are not so novice-y? Probably would just add to the workload</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>What was also discussed is to rename the novice tag maybe to "Good first issue" or something. The person may not be novice per say, they are "just" new to Drupal or new to the queue.</td>
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<h2>4️⃣ .3️⃣ Remote contribution during DrupalCon NA</h2>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Sadly, not all of us can be there in person. But I'd like to try to make time for some contributions during the Con. Should we aim to do that here in Slack, or is there a better way to tie together the in-person and remote efforts?</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>(beyond getting things done in the issue queues themselves)</td>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>This will be outside the scope of the lead mentors, but others can self organize. Organizing, planning, and executing a live event is enough work for the three or four leads.</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Corollary also is that it's very difficult to actively mentor and monitor Slack at the same time</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Fair points, thanks y'all! Guess we'll learn to live with the FOMO and do what we can from afar. :sweat_smile:</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>I think Slack is the best. There is the open social site, but we don't want to onboard people there and teach them that when they should stop using it the moment they leave the building. We want them to get acquainted with Slack instead IMHO. So yeah Slack would be the best, but I don't know how good it will be as per above.</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>Probably will work better to connect with specific topic teams instead of mentors in general is my feeling.</td>
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<td>Derek Wright</td>
<td>Perhaps one way we can be useful that won't disrupt but enhance the in-person experience: when you mentor someone to the point that they've moved an issue to Needs review, if it's a bug, they know they can ping #bugsmash, otherwise they can ping #needs-review-queue-initiative. Remote folks (and anyone on site looking for something to do) will try to ensure fast turn around on reviews to get stuff to RTBC ASAP. This much the mentors could know and point folks to as part of the contribution process. It'd be good training long term, and could help speed up things in person in the short term.</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>Great for those issues that they don't want to mentor reviewing too :)</td>
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<td>Kristen Pol</td>
<td>@VladimirAus had talked in the #contribution-events channel about possibly doing a more formal remote counterpart for the contribution day but it would need remote mentors and promotion</td>
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<td>Gábor Hojtsy (he/him)</td>
<td>Last year we had super success with some remote participants on Claro and Olivero reviews.</td>
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<td>Vladimir R</td>
<td>At DrupalSouth code sprint at the moment. Will mention remote contribution sprint.</td>
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<td>Vladimir R</td>
<td>To coincide with DrupalCon we are organising face to face code sprint in Brisbane Australia: <a href="https://www.meetup.com/drupal-brisbane/events/293987002/We">https://www.meetup.com/drupal-brisbane/events/293987002/We</a> will be also mentoring in here and in #australia-nz channels along with @Janna M and @larowlanEveryone welcome! :wave:</td>
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<h2>So? No takers on the action items?</h2>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>Yeah I was :disappointed: too --- maybe we will get folks after the 24h for timezones but if not we might need to (a) do a broader plea for help and (b) ask people specifically (ideally people new to the role but capable of it) because asking directly ususally has better results. :crossed_fingers:</td>
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<td>xjm</td>
<td>My session is Tuesday afternoon 3p -- so I have a conflict for triage which is a shame because that would have been a low-key way to help -- and I need the time for for session prep/practice/etc. Maybe if the Bof Is happening still after an hour I could duck in and help.</td>
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<td>Stephen Mustgrave</td>
<td>I can help with whatever. Just never done the mentor thing at an event.</td>
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<td>Phil Frilling</td>
<td>Same here. I want to help. I've just never done it in-person before.</td>
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<td>Elli Ludwigson</td>
<td>I do want to weigh in on the social media copy at least to get it going.</td>
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<td>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick)</td>
<td>Thanks @ekl1773 I saw you grab one of the issues</td>
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<td>Elli Ludwigson</td>
<td>Do we skip using a “spreadsheet of awesomeness” these days? I think I remember that going away in the advent of opensocial, and we’ve already got tshirts thankyouVon. That leaves mentor dinner? issue tracking? or to put it another way, what resources would we like to highlight in social posts?</td>
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<td>Chris Weber</td>
<td>Missed this meeting, scrolling up to find the mentioned action items...</td>
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<p>Participants:</p>
<p>AmyJune Hineline (volkswagenchick), Rolando Scott, mradcliffe, Elli Ludwigson, Gregg Marshall, Amanda Marshall, xjm, Derek Wright, Martin Anderson-Clutz, Matthew Ramir, Urvashi Vora, Phil Frilling, Sarah Corbine, Kristen Pol, Chris Weber, Stephen Mustgrave, Gábor Hojtsy, Vladimir R</p>
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