Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting (Events) on March 11, 2026 (#3578677) · Issues · project / member

Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting (Events) on March 11, 2026

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If this meeting hasn't happened yet, find and add to the agenda in that doc anytime before the meeting. <h2>Member Platform Meeting - Events</h2> March 11, 2026 at 11:30am CDT <h3>Meeting Notifications, Agendas, Past Notes, Slack Channel</h3> See <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/member/issues/3505938">[Meta] Member Platform meetings</a> <h3>Who is here?</h3> Include your Drupal.org username in parentheses if you have one. <ul> <li>JD Leonard (jdleonard)</li> <li>Rich Gerdes (richgerdes)</li> <li>Steve Ayers (bluegeek9)</li> </ul> <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1H_-VhSvd95yhTx9NvcD7olPpbDg4PyGs&usp=drive_fs">Recording</a> <h2>Fathom AI Summary</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp">VIEW RECORDING - 91 mins (No highlights)</a> <h3>Meeting Purpose</h3> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=289.0">Define the architecture and scope for events in CRM/Member Platform.</a> <h3>Key Takeaways</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1047.0">MVP Defined: The initial scope is free RSVPs for members and guests, with a max attendance limit. Paid events, guest management, and complex permissions are out of scope.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=340.0">Architecture: The plan uses the lightweight event module for the event entity and the generalized entity_registration module for RSVPs.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=4423.0">Payment Strategy: Paid events are a future feature. The leading option is a "Simplified Commerce" wrapper that uses Commerce's payment gateways but hides its complexity from end-users.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=3840.0">Immediate Priority: Rich will complete the entity_registration front-end PR this week to enable the MVP.</a></li> </ul> <h3>Topics</h3> <h4>MVP Scope & User Stories</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=827.0">Core Requirements (from functional spec):</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=827.0">Publish events and collect RSVPs.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=842.0">Manually add/modify attendees.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=842.0">Segment contacts and email based on RSVP status.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=935.0">Allow non-members to RSVP without a separate sign-up step.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1461.0">Support member-only events.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1471.0">Set a max attendance limit.</a></li> </ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1630.0">Out of Scope for MVP:</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1630.0">Paid registrations.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=969.0">Guest management (e.g., a member registering a non-member).</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1370.0">Complex permissions (e.g., event-specific organizers).</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=1687.0">Advanced registration rules (e.g., per-group limits).</a></li> </ul> </ul> <h4>Architectural Foundation</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2592.0">Event Entity: The event module provides a lightweight event entity type.</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2556.0">Status: Currently on the 2.x branch, compatible with Drupal 12.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2604.0">Issue: The module requires a machine name/slug, which may be unnecessary.</a></li> </ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=420.0">Registration: The entity_registration module will handle RSVPs.</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=420.0">Rationale: Its generalization allows any entity (e.g., a CRM contact) to be a registrant, which is critical for Member Platform.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=3849.0">Status: A backend PR exists; Rich is completing the front-end form.</a></li> </ul> </ul> <h4>Future: Payment Strategy for Paid Events</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=3720.0">Problem: Drupal Commerce is too complex for Member Platform's target audience.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=4423.0">Solution: "Simplified Commerce" Wrapper</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=4423.0">Concept: A module that uses Commerce's payment gateway system but hides its UI and complexity.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=4863.0">Rationale: This leverages Commerce's robust payment integrations without forcing users to learn its full system.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=5318.0">Implementation: A simplified admin form would configure payments, while the backend generates the necessary Commerce config.</a></li> </ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=4554.0">Alternative: A custom payment module (e.g., for Stripe) was considered but dismissed due to the high maintenance cost of building and maintaining payment gateways.</a></li> </ul> <h4>Future: Member Platform vs. Event Platform</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2369.0">Member Platform's Model: A modular, upstream-first approach.</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2369.0">Rationale: This ensures upgrade paths and allows other projects (like Event Platform) to adopt the modules.</a></li> </ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2224.0">Event Platform's Model: A recipe-based starter kit.</a></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2428.0">Critique: Recipes are poor for dynamic functionality (e.g., registration types) because they lack upgrade paths and can fail if config is changed.</a></li> </ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=2312.0">Potential Collaboration: A solid event module could be a future component for Event Platform.</a></li> </ul> <h3>Next Steps</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=3840.0">Rich: Complete and push the front-end code for the entity_registration PR this week.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=5400.0">Rich: After the PR is merged, define specific tasks for community contribution.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?tab=summary&timestamp=5425.0">Team: Test the entity_registration PR to validate the MVP flow.</a></li> </ul> <h2>Fathom AI Transcript</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp">VIEW RECORDING - 91 mins (No highlights)</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=209.0">@3:29</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Hey, Rich. Hey, how are you all? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=214.8">@3:34</a> - Rich Gerdes Doing well, doing well. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=216.42">@3:36</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) How about you? I've been crazy. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=218.54">@3:38</a> - Rich Gerdes I've been busy, but... How's the new job? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=222.06">@3:42</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I'm not so new anymore. Now, I joined the team in January. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=229.04">@3:49</a> - Rich Gerdes At the end of February, they had a big homepage rebrand launch. Pretty complicated, pretty crazy, but it's been good. Just kept me very busy. I email today. Bye. Bye. Bye. Plenty of stuff to be doing still. They have a 200-item backlog that I've just spent the last four days grooming with the product team. So it's crazy, but it's been good. Nice. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=254.28">@4:14</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Okay. Well, do you want to lead us off? And I'm happy to try to steer us elsewhere if we need to. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=261.82">@4:21</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, I mean, I don't have too much necessary to talk about. I have some outstanding code that I have to finish up by some time tomorrow, squared away. Actually, because of all the launch stuff, they've given us comp days, so the next two days off. So one, I'm spending at Drupal Camp New Jersey on Friday, and tomorrow I'm probably doing some coding and stuff. But so hopefully I'm spending some time to work on that stuff. I guess the question, I, you know, looking for guidance from you guys about what the current state of the discussions that have happened in the last couple weeks of meetings that I've missed out on. So one, I Or are we kind of still in this vague, we want events, but don't have any particular direction at the moment state? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=307.74">@5:07</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I think that we should try to make progress on that. Yeah, I think that's the biggest piece, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=317.94">@5:17</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=319.12">@5:19</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And like, I've got a high level la-di-da pie in the sky ideas, right? You have a history of actually doing things. Maybe. So, I mean, some things that are, you know, bobbling around in my brain here. The event project, right? Which you created and defines, or which you're a maintainer of, and which defines an entity type for events, right? Yeah. I feel... I like that could be maybe generalized away from COD, right? Like, I actually don't know if it needs to be generalized away. Like, I'm not super familiar with it. But I feel like that could be a powerful, useful ecosystem in and of itself, not specific to CRM or member platform, but that could be leveraged by CRM and member platform. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=387.72">@6:27</a> - Rich Gerdes And there's not that much to it, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=389.86">@6:29</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Like, if the core thing, right, that is shareable, reusable, is a reusable, is a, you know, an entity type that's got bundles, right? Yeah. But it would be great to, you know, memorialize that in a release that, you know, we feel like we can use. Absolutely, yeah. So that's, like, one pillory thing, if if you want to call it that, that I can think of. pillory Then there's the entity registration work that you've been doing to generalize what can be a registrant. And obviously that's important for member platform in being able to have contacts as registrants. And of course, it would make sense for them to be registrants of that event, right? Entity type. Which any registration already would support, but we need, you know, there's probably some glue and some other bits and pieces, right? That could help make that all smooth and easy. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=465.32">@7:45</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. I guess, are there any particular use cases that, like, user stories that we don't want to define and work through? Obviously, you know, the feature of registering a... A contact obviously is a requirement, but like what is our, for our typical member organization, what types of events are we hosting? What are the scenarios that we want to be able to register kind of thing, right? Like we've talked about guests, right? You know, some sort of, you know, a meetup that where you want to bring a friend to the meetup event. They don't have an account on the website. make them a guest. They might, you might fill out their name. You might not. Like can we, I guess the question is, yeah, from, from a member platform perspective, whatever our sort of scenarios for registration, you know, registering related contacts through relationships, which I think we have to figure out how that would even work. Yes. Good question. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=524.98">@8:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And my quick response is I put a link in the Zoom chat that is to a document that is, was primarily authored by Erica. Although some of the initial stuff was based on a conversation that I'd had. I think some of what this is describing is stuff would need to be teased apart for like, okay, the things that we want to track for an event, right? Which of those things are already provided by the event project and which of those things do we just need to add on top? Yeah. And then I think in our other functional spec doc, we probably have some more things. Let me see what's in there. Not sure how much ended up getting written down, you know? So, yeah, I mean, that's the question, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=585.381">@9:45</a> - Rich Gerdes Is, is, yeah, what are the specs of this all? Not just from, mean, obviously, you know, the registration module specs are pretty straightforward. Registered thing that's not a user, but yeah, what from a member? Platform architecture, what else do we have to do to get this working? And is that, you know, are we providing standard event types out of the box, like a meetup type, a party type, you know, are we planning on having a conference type structure, which is something I plan to do with event eventually anyway, is have like a template for, oh, we were hosting a conference, the conference has some events, right? You know, all your sessions being events, you don't necessarily have to register, pay and register for them, but adding them to your favorites or whatever is a way to track that, right? Yeah, I think that's powerful. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=637.801">@10:37</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So I put another link into the sort of functional spec doc, which frankly hasn't been touched in a very long time, but maybe it would be helpful because I think some of the, to your question about like user stories and stuff, I think that'll, that's where more of that lives so far. Would it help if we just started walking through some of the event related things in there? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=660.921">@11:00</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, we could go through some of them. I mean, even just having them written down is a good place to start, but we could talk through some of them if you want to, if you think there's anything unique that's worth reviewing. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=672.181">@11:12</a> - steven.ayers use case that I don't think is covered is where you're not really hosting the event. It's just sort of metadata. Like, I met this person at this camp. Here's some note about it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=686.101">@11:26</a> - Rich Gerdes Okay, so from a CRM perspective, tracking stuff, that's, I attended this thing, I met these people. Like, got these two sales leads out of this event kind of thing. Yeah, that's an interesting idea, which, you know, we're not even something we're talking about, we haven't talked about yet, right, which is the idea of using, I think events themselves, you know, obviously you can use that, right? If it's an event. Question is, do you use events in a CRM to also manage communications, right? I sent this. I think the ability to track things, places you're going and leads that came out of that is an interesting feature for the CRM side. It's not a member platform need, specifically. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=752.681">@12:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And I would say, to your question, yes, we could expand the sort of definition of what an event is to include those things, but I don't think that's wise. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=762.961">@12:42</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, I mean, there's no reason you couldn't automate the generation of, yeah, menu links. But yeah, I mean, I'm not sure we should necessarily do that either, which is a question of what the plans were. Because, yeah, like, we're talking about, like, where do we source this lead? This lead was sourced from. The email I sent out, right, you know, if you're trying to do lead event tracking, right, where you track the sources of all your leads, you might actually want to do that. But I think that might be out of scope, at least for what we're doing at this phase, right, just to contact for, yeah, I met this person here, or I saw this person here kind of thing. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=804.541">@13:24</a> - steven.ayers That may not be a problem for the events project to address, but just something a lot more bare bones in terms of, yeah, it's part of a CRM events module. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=818.721">@13:38</a> - Rich Gerdes It could track where you met people or whatever. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=827.221">@13:47</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, so, I mean, just, if I just read some of the stuff from the functional spec, right, related to event, like, I think it'll help ground us a little bit as far as what has been written down for member platform. So Paul is an organizer of a Drupal users group. Paul wants a way to publish event information and collect RSVPs from attendees, including the ability to manually add attendees and modify RSVPs. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=861.861">@14:21</a> - Rich Gerdes He wants to be able to segment contacts and bulk email them. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=866.441">@14:26</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Paul wants to be able to email contacts based on their RSVP status for a given event. Paul currently publishes events on meetup.com, but is frustrated with its pricing and inflexible feature set, particularly the inability to use contact information outside of its website. He seeks a free open source solution, ideally at a custom domain. If we go down to Madeline, this is sort of a little tangential, right? But this is a prospective member. She wants a way to sign up for email updates to hear about news and events related to Drupal in Atlanta. We have an offline member, Jessica, who has attended events of this Doug without RSVPing. Paul, the organizer, adds Jessica as a member without an email address on the site so her event attendance can be tracked. And hopefully he can get her email address so she can receive emails. We've got Noah, who is a prospective event attendee but is not a member. He's interested in attending an event. He expects to be able to RSVP for an event on the site without first having to separately become a member and then find the event again in RSVP. It doesn't matter to them that upon RSVPing for the event, they will be considered a member by... ... ... ... ... ... This Doug. Let's see. We've got an event attendee, Akira, who is a member who receives an email from the Doug announcing their upcoming event. He clicks the link in the email and finds himself on a page with event details and a mechanism for him to RSVP. Akira logs in if he's not already logged in and registers for himself and a colleague, Petra, who is not a member. Petra is added as an offline member. Akira receives a confirmation email and later receives an email Paul sends to attendees of that event about some last-minute logistics. Yeah. mean, those team. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1009.5">@16:49</a> - Rich Gerdes So I guess from a member platform perspective, you want that's that registration flow that has... Some way to integrate with it to either add like a checkout flow in Drupal Commerce, even for a free event, to add a panel into that and say, become a member checkbox or handle that registration and automatically make the member somehow, you know, you might, they might be a, I want to join the mailing list checkbox or whatever and processing that. So some integration points for that flow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1047.16">@17:27</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So some of what, some of what's described by those flows, right, is this is, this is MVP level requirements, right? So there will be more complex requirements. We've tried to simplify by saying, well, we don't need like a configuration setting for this and that, right? Like this is just what's going to happen. Yeah. But yes, right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1067.84">@17:47</a> - Rich Gerdes there needs to be a way, a way so that when a new person registers, they get the contact data, they get whatever tags added to it. Like to be as a member. Yeah. Yep. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1078.36">@17:58</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Well, and I think. Whether somebody is a member, we've said for Member Platform 1.0, we're happy enough to say, look, if you're a contact, you're a member. We're not differentiating. We don't have non-members that we're tracking. But looking beyond that, there are going to be some organizations where somebody registers for an event, and they're going to say, okay, now you're a member. That's the meetup.com model. And there are going to be some organizations that say, well, you registered for the event, but you're a non-member. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1115.36">@18:35</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, and that may be a future state where just because you attended something, you didn't pay your dues. Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1123.6">@18:43</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Or even just you didn't explicitly say, hey, look, I'm committing. I want to be on the mailing list. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1128.94">@18:48</a> - Rich Gerdes I want to hear all your comms. Yeah, versus I just wanted to go to this cool thing I saw online. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1134.24">@18:54</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I imagine most organizations would want to add to their email list anybody who attends an event. look, to <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1141.56">@19:01</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, but for EU compliance, they have to select that checkbox, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1151.88">@19:11</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Or it just has to be stated that that's part of what they're signing up for, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1155.48">@19:15</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, somehow, yes. They have to acknowledge the fact that they're getting added to the mailing list, not just to be added without being told they would be. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1167.3">@19:27</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) But yeah, we could figure that out. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1168.52">@19:28</a> - Rich Gerdes I think that we could figure that out as a second phase. But it sounds like the rest of it is pretty straightforward. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1172.68">@19:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) There's a few more things. So we didn't talk about listings of events, right? And calendar view, list view, right? Like here are the upcoming events. It's relatively straightforward stuff, right? But that would be presumably more member platform specific as opposed to something that an event, a more general event module would provide. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1196.98">@19:56</a> - Rich Gerdes I mean, I think that there's like a calendar module. Bye. Waère. Yeah, full calendar. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1202.08">@20:02</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I've used it a few times, also hated it a few times. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1205.16">@20:05</a> - Rich Gerdes I don't know if the state is still in that weird, felt very unfinished and very node-specific when the last time I used it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1214.82">@20:14</a> - steven.ayers Is that the one that's trying to get you to buy a similar module offline? I don't know. I thought it just wasn't finished. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1227.94">@20:27</a> - Rich Gerdes It was very tied to nodes and views. It was a views implementation. was tied to nodes, and it was tied to the way that views handles dates for nodes or something was very particular. And I couldn't get it to work with something that was not nodes, and I spent way too long trying to do it. But, yeah, I think a calendar might be out of scope for the actual event module itself. You know, a view of upcoming items is fine sort of by date, starting after today, right? Um... Yeah. It's pretty straightforward. But yeah, then pages obviously, which event provides. The idea of sub events or activities or an agenda might be something we want to have. But I think that all can just be text in the page. Yeah, so from my flow, I think these user stories seem good. I didn't know this document existed, so I'm going to star it so I see them. I can come back to these. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1292.04">@21:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Some other things we had in here, had, you know, concept of recurring events, all day events versus, you know, defined duration events versus an event with just a start time, right, or a start date. Yeah. Um, is there anything else in here? Um, we talked about... I don't know where this is represented. Maybe it's in the CRM event. So switching over to the CRM event spec doc, down under permissions, we had some brainstorming what was going on about permissions and who can see an event, right? Like is an event visible to only people who are members or, you know, have a certain status of their membership? Or, you know, other more bespoke things, like there's some sort of field that we look at to see if they're allowed to see this event because it's, I don't know what, right? Something unique to that organization's logic. We also talked about the group ecosystem, right? Group project ecosystem. So providing a mechanism for an individual event to have different tiers of permissions based on who the lead organizer is or who – like, are you an organizer of this event? Like, you're an event organizer, right, which is a meetup.com concept as well, as opposed to you're an organizer of the entire group. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1402.62">@23:22</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. Yeah, being able to designate people who aren't normally organizers as an organizer or a contact for that event. I also wonder about the question of – we've talked about, like, small organizations but large organizations like, I don't know, say, a school, right? We talked about schools or daycares where you might have different programs going on within an organization, right? Like, you know, this is a seventh-grade class trip and wanting to, yeah, sign a virtual permission slip, essentially, right, of some sort. I'm making this up on the spot, so I don't know if that's it. Probably not a use case we've talked about, but the idea of like, It's a common use case. Certain people are organizers or might be able to create events, right, based on some peers and be able to share those with certain groups of people or something. There might be something. mean, I don't think that's part of our V1 MVP, but definitely could be in scope. So that here with like only creating RSVPs for certain types of events or certain events, member-only registrations, I think, is a big deal. So, and yeah, who, can you bring guests to this event? I would say, I expect, do we have needs for the MVP of like a max attendance requirements or attendance rules like that to be able to limit? We've definitely talked about that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1486.46">@24:46</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) don't know if we've said that's an MVP kind of thing. Yeah, allow event organizers to set a maximum number of registrations for an event. So yes, we have. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1497.7">@24:57</a> - Rich Gerdes And that's part of the. Yeah, okay. Initial scope, okay. Yeah. Maybe registrations, yeah. Yeah, I think there's lot of, there's obviously always lots of rules, right, to how things should work. But, I mean, I think that answers, I think I have a, yeah, there's a direction at least for starting to plan out how this might work, I think, and what might be in scope for member platform events and CRM events. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1531.0">@25:31</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) One other thing that we've talked about is in various different platforms, on various different platforms, there are different ways of representing an RSVP status, right? And so for member platform 1.0, where we landed is attending, not attending, and maybe. It's kind of like, now, obviously, you may not want somebody to be able to say maybe, right? Right. Right. This Um, so, you know, maybe a way to disable that, but this is, this brings up a more general question of like, well, okay, how did these, how are these states represented and how are they customizable? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1574.84">@26:14</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. Well, and you could take that a step further, the guest, you know, your, your member may be coming, but he may want to bring four guests and two of them are maybes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1588.76">@26:28</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Do we actually want to handle that case? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1592.12">@26:32</a> - Rich Gerdes Like this could go down a rabbit hole. is my point. Yeah, yeah, you're right. But yeah, I mean, I would think that registrations would have states and statuses, workflow, I don't know, maybe not workflows, but some way to track those possible, you know, attending yes, attending no. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1611.24">@26:51</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Well, and there's also the like, okay, maybe you need permission to attend. And like, maybe your request for registration needs to be approved. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1619.06">@26:59</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. Pending. Maybe I need to go do some manual lookup and be like, are you an award winner? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1624.06">@27:04</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Like, do you get this discounted registration? Or, you know, I don't know, right? Like, whatever it is. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1630.62">@27:10</a> - Rich Gerdes And is there a scope for paid registrations? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1636.58">@27:16</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Not for member platform 1.0, but clearly a need. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, definitely. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1646.1">@27:26</a> - Rich Gerdes So, yeah, we're saying that not for the initial implementation. Commerce is not in scope. Now, there is commerce registration, so that should handle some of that. But I don't know how it handles registration out of the box. I don't know how well it handles, like, add-on registrations for guests. So that's something we have to look at. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1667.78">@27:47</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yes. And I think we've said we don't need to handle guests for 1.0. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1679.82">@27:59</a> - Rich Gerdes Thank you. Thank you. Thank Which is fine. The other question, there's an interesting thing that I may work on on my own, which is for something that we're doing internally, is the idea of my organization has an HR department. Our HR department gets like discounted tickets for staff for different activities like baseball games, basketball games, whatever, concerts, whatever. And they have a need to do event registration. And so we're building this Drupal app that's going to handle event registration. And one of the needs there is from different pools of staff classifications being able to limit how many of the people in that pool can register for certain things. So trying to balance, you This number of people from the technical team can join versus this number of people, which I guess that approach isn't really relevant for CRM, but the idea of a certain number of guests can come versus... We don't want the entire event to be one guy and his 10 guests. We want half 50% members, 50% guests, or a certain number of guest tickets kind of thing. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1766.6">@29:26</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So, I mean, that's an interesting use case that I think would probably be helpful for us to talk out a little more, right? Like, so if you had, you could have a different registration type for, I mean, tell me if this is oversimplistic for your needs, but for each department or group or whatever. Maybe you even have two types per group. One is for guests and one is for non-guests if you need to have different levers, you know, max... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1800.0">@30:00</a> - Rich Gerdes Maximums for those or something like that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1805.64">@30:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) But those registration types would all be for the same event. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1810.3">@30:10</a> - Rich Gerdes and then you have some rules on the limits on each register. Yeah, that's sort of the plan that I have, is that you have a limit to the number of registrations per group, and then, yeah, you can be able to control that. That's the way I'm planning on implementing it, but if I build in that rule system, that's something that we might get for this implementation. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1830.0">@30:30</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) When you say per group, do you mean the logic would be per group, or do you mean that you would have one registration type? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1838.62">@30:38</a> - Rich Gerdes For classification of people, right, or per ticket registration type, guess, is who we're classifying them as, right? So we're saying that, yeah, there's a limit to the number of this type of registration for this event. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1854.1">@30:54</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Got it. Basically, think it's what kind of, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1856.56">@30:56</a> - Rich Gerdes And then the question, the question really ends up being, those rules might be more. Complicated where it's like this person, yeah, there's a limit to the number of tech employees that can come, but then there's a limit to the number of tech employees plus guests that can come. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1873.6">@31:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) There's definitely some complicated, crazy complicated rules that we can come up with if we wanted to. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1878.38">@31:18</a> - Rich Gerdes And when you get into those things, it's hard to generalize those into a useful... Oh, yeah, yeah. So then it's more like... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1885.74">@31:25</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Is that actually worth sharing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting, though. What else is going on in event land for you and for the event project? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1904.12">@31:44</a> - Rich Gerdes Not too much. I am considering once we build this for... I've been a little bit involved with Drupal New York City, and their website is not great. Don't go look at it. It never has been. I used to contribute to that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1919.12">@31:59</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I hate that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1920.0">@32:00</a> - Rich Gerdes think it probably was rebuilt by the last time that you looked at it over COVID, and there's a lot of styling issues, but we have a very simplistic event management struggle. We have pages, and some of them just are titled, you know, whatever our event names are, the info is in line. But if we do have, you know, if this all works with number platforms, CRM, I might consider pulling it in there. And the hard part is that there's not very many people active in New York City right now, so growing. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1949.34">@32:29</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1950.0">@32:30</a> - Rich Gerdes The New York City Drupal community is something that people are trying to do. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1954.08">@32:34</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Well, and to be clear, I would imagine the problem is not that there aren't people involved with Drupal in New York City. It's that there aren't events that are pulling them together, right? Pretty much, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1964.48">@32:44</a> - Rich Gerdes And the one event series that we've been having, which has been quarterly contribution days, doesn't get a lot of attendance. So Jake and I were talking about having, going for drinks sometime, but we didn't get any bites on that invite either, so. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=1979.26">@32:59</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Thank Yeah. Well, I mean, this is a reach, but it might be the project of taking the requirements, right, for Drupal NYC could be an interesting thing for New York City Drupalers to collaborate on, right, and contribute to some of the things that we've been talking about, right? Like, it's like, I don't know, you know, an opportunity to... Yeah. Anyways, the point was, yeah, Member Platform may be a great place to demo, or Drupal NYC may be a great place to demo the capabilities of Member Platform once we have an MVP on some of this stuff. That's what I was thinking. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2028.82">@33:48</a> - Rich Gerdes Well, and we do have, at least Fox Valley Drupal is already onboarding CRM, you know, as part of what... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2040.0">@34:00</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) They're doing. I am looking to onboard CRM for my neighborhood association before member platform is ready and to integrate that with MailChimp. I assume you all still use MailChimp. Yeah. So that's kind of an interesting thing because from my neighborhood association, we've got too many systems where we kind of have people's information. And it would be great. Well, our trajectory is that Drupal will be the source of truth, right, for things. So, you know, in that vein, right, it would be great for our dues processing to live on the site and result in the contact and membership information being tracked properly there. And then for that to sync to our MailChimp so that we can send out emails. send out emails. We can can As we do today without having to separately add people there, right? Yeah. And so if you want to contact people who are overdue or have not paid their dues this month, you've got an automatic way to do that or whatever, yeah. So that I could see being useful as well for Drupal NYC and for any other group that similarly has sort of a just base similar set of use cases, right? Before the full end-to-end is ready for member platform. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2126.7">@35:26</a> - Rich Gerdes So there might be incremental things we can do. Yep. Sounds good. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2132.24">@35:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) For the event project itself, what's the recent history there? Is it being used for anything that you're aware of beyond sort of old COD things? I'm not sure. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2147.6">@35:47</a> - Rich Gerdes I mean, I've used it for some stuff on smaller projects. Nothing super major. I'm not sure exactly what's going on. I don't know what COD even is, if anything. Oh, interestingly, I just went to the statistic. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2159.92">@35:59</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) don't know on. And 183 of the 238 installs are Drupal 6. Oh, yes. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2167.92">@36:07</a> - Rich Gerdes I mean, yeah, it definitely is not. I'm just amazed there's that many Drupal 6 projects still kicking out. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2173.7">@36:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It's probably COD, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2176.34">@36:16</a> - Rich Gerdes It's more than likely. Huh. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2179.9">@36:19</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, I guess there's 20-ish. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2183.36">@36:23</a> - Rich Gerdes No, that's 20 Drupal. There's Drupal 5 and Drupal 6 sites. There's about 30 Drupal 8 Plus that are using it, which isn't a ton, but, you know, nothing. I don't think anything that is super crazy, but, yeah, I mean, I'm not aware of anyone who's using it for... Definitely not within a Drupal organization, as far as I'm aware, but Drupal community for anything. But I think it'd great if, you know, we could publish a, you know, Drupal camp build of Drupal or member platform, right? Then the camps could just set up and you'd get... Camp websites, and you'd get community management. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2224.24">@37:04</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And what's interesting, there's the overlap with event platform, right? Yeah. And event platform is great. What I struggle with with that is that it's all recipes, and so it's basically a starter kit, and then good luck, right? Which is sometimes what you want for things, but also... If it's for a camp website that's only going to exist for a year, fine, right? It makes total sense. But it also, I gather, supports multiple years of events and things like that. And I don't want member platform necessarily to compete with event platform, but we've definitely had discussions around they should work well enough together. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2274.16">@37:54</a> - Rich Gerdes You would even think that a camp would want to track it, or, you know, let's say, you know, Drupal, the A dot. Or Asheville or wherever, mid-camp, right? They have a community, they have events that go on out the rest of the year, not just their camp, right? And it's almost, yeah, you want a 2016 camp or 2026 camp page, but then you want to archive that and make a 2027 camp page, but you don't want to lose. Like, I know a lot of the camps dump their sessions list, basically, they unpublish them or whatnot. And like, at end of the season, the camp list is gone, your session list is gone from the year. I think all archived somewhere, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2312.4">@38:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So it's just an interesting dynamic, because I know that, you know, Martin doesn't seem interested, I think, in adopting modules and moving any of the functionality, like, into modules. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2331.72">@38:51</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2333.62">@38:53</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) But perhaps, right, if event, you know, is a solid base. There might be an opportunity for a future version of Event Platform to leverage that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2344.98">@39:04</a> - Rich Gerdes Well, yeah, I think if we did all the work and had it working in a prototype, they might share their work or switch to our work instead of trying to do things longer term. Definitely not try to force them into anything at this point, but it's always nice not to duplicate it for it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2369.48">@39:29</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And talking about recipes, right, so my current version of my vision, right, for how that relates to Member Platform is whatever we need for Member Platform goes into modules where they make sense, right, where that can be usable, where we can provide upgrade paths, right? And ideally, we drive as much of that upstream as possible so that anything CRM-related can leverage that. If applicable, anything event related can leverage that if applicable. And then there probably need to be recipes for more specific use cases, right? Where it's basically default content and some configuration tweaks. Voila, now you've got a neighborhood association, you know, flavor of member platform, right? Or a meetup version of, you know, member platform, that kind of thing. But I, like I, event platform takes the concepts, like everything is a recipe, right? Which makes it, well, there are challenges with that. So I don't, I just don't want to go that route. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2443.66">@40:43</a> - Rich Gerdes I mean, I think the hard part about recipes is the expectation that there's functionality tied to, like, I think recipes are great for things like adding fields, right? If you want to add a CRM relationship type that is not necessarily something shipped out of box. That's great as a recipe. We're adding this student relationship for our school or whatever. Make it a recipe done. If you want to have dynamic functionality based on that student relationship type, you need the config to be installed. You need the config to be set up a certain way. You need the module to be to say, okay, I know that this student math grade property, test score grade property exists on all the users. And, you know, I'm doing logic based on that for class scheduling. But yeah, it's an interesting, yeah, recipes. I feel like recipes are great for like scaffolding out temporary stuff. But when you have dynamic functionality, depends on the existence of something. I feel like event platform, they're kind of setting an expectation where it's like, okay, with a standard thing, you know, you're going to have event registrations and we have these registration types. And sure, your camp might change the way it does some of that, but also You're creating a bucket, and then who knows, in a future version of Event Platform, if you decide you don't want whatever that feature is, right? You're like, oh, well, oh, no, or you want to publish an update to your registration type to add a new field, like your Google username or something, right? Now you don't even know if the registration type exists. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2543.43">@42:23</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2543.86">@42:23</a> - Rich Gerdes And if it doesn't exist, then that recipe or that update might fail, which doesn't seem ideal to me. Yeah, no, for sure. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2556.43">@42:36</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So just turning back to the event project itself, so you've been most recently active in the 2.x branch. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2565.89">@42:45</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, that was mostly an upgrade, yeah, upgrade for Drupal 10 or 11, but why we have that 2.x? Well, it looks like. I did have some downtime, and I did upgrade it to be compatible to Drupal 12. Incredible. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2578.69">@42:58</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) How are you enjoying Drupal 12? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2580.0">@43:00</a> - Rich Gerdes I have not installed the D12, but they reached a point where there's no more bug fixes, and I was able to just... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2587.8">@43:07</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Sure. No, no. I'm your chain. But yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2592.82">@43:12</a> - Rich Gerdes What all does it provide? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2595.69">@43:15</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It provides an entity type called event. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2598.22">@43:18</a> - Rich Gerdes You can create bundles of that event. And that's pretty much all it does in the beginning. It does have... The only thing I don't love about the event, and this predates me, is that there's a machine name for the event. The idea is that you have a unique identifier, like a machine name, like a slug for the event. I'm not necessarily sure if I felt like that was necessary, and I have yet to actually remove it, though. But I personally feel like it could be removed, could be just dropped, and you could just use your generation. get it on the site. I don't know what the advantage of having a machine name is, other than that your slug is consistent. I Anyways, that's a different conversation, but that predates me, but I guess, yeah. I think my gut reaction is probably don't need the slug for the reason you mentioned. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2653.43">@44:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Like, what's the event? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2655.35">@44:15</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, what advantage is it actually providing us? Initially, I thought, oh, okay, that makes sense. Like, yeah, you want to say, oh, DrupalCon 2026, right? But if you title the event DrupalCon 2026, you're set, unless you have dynamic logic that means to know for the event DrupalCon 2026, do this. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2674.21">@44:34</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, I mean, you definitely would need to support, like, hey, the event title changed, the event URL changed, the old URL should redirect to the new URL. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2683.59">@44:43</a> - Rich Gerdes But that's URL releases, right? Like, that should just be out of the box Drupal. I would think, yeah. So anyway, so that's a question that I don't know how or why or exactly what the intention there of the original commit of why it had a new name. There's no reason that you could. didn't add a machine name on your site, I'm not going to stop you from doing that, but it's a weird requirement for the module that I have yet to kill. But that's one of the only things that it, so it does that, it provides like a date, a title, a body, and that's really all the only structure that, it's just an entity type. The real advantage has been with my registration module, my ticketing module, which provide a commerce way to actually check out, right? You're able to register for an event and check out for tickets and track tickets and attendees, which I think is the power of the event system, but that's actually part of the event module. But now with leveraging the registration module, I would expect registration to handle all that, and it does handle some of that already. So I think, I think there's a path forward there. think the ticket concept, which is a little bit different, which is actually like, the idea was that registrations are free. Or tickets are paid. registration doesn't have to have commerce tied to it. So that you can have different ticket pricing models, basically. But all of the registrations could be the same thing, right? A registration of a user, like a contact registration is a contact registration. There's not different types of contact registrations, but there's different types of tickets that might have different types of registration. So if you're registering a contact or a group or a user, those are different types of registrations. But you have tickets, which are actually what you pay for, right? You go through the checkout flow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2797.8">@46:37</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So the tickets are in commerce parlance products. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2803.27">@46:43</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, they're a purchasable entity type for commerce, which is the idea there. But yeah, and the tickets actually use the unique ticket IDs, right? Like the idea was that that's what you check in. When you check in, you check in with your ticket ID. Not your registration. And registration weren't required for tickets because the idea is you have a concert, right? You don't necessarily know who the ticket goes to. just have to register during the checkout process kind of thing. Interesting. So there's ticket types which you can create unique per event, right? So if you want to have different tiers of sponsors at an event or different tiers of attendees, those are creatable per event. They're just content entities. And then you have the actual ticket. The ticket itself, which is its own entity type, there's, you know, so there's registration types and ticket types in the event ticket module, which basically you can say, you know, this is the number of tickets. You know, this ticket has, you know, a group registration. And then, you know, can check during the checkout flow, you can pick them. then it adds stuff to commerce for that. During the checkout flow, you actually fill out the attendee information as part of the registrations and stuff like that. So, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. The event module itself is pretty lightweight. It's really just the event content type and a view for like seeing like an event listing page, I think it provides out of the box. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2892.83">@48:12</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I'm curious about this ticket concept. I'm not sure I yet see the use case, the value for having it be a distinct thing separate from the registration. Because a registration could include... Yeah, the ticket was a relationship between an order in commerce and a registration basically at an event, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2923.99">@48:43</a> - Rich Gerdes So it's linking those things. The registration was still tied to the event. The ticket was just the binding with commerce basically. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2929.47">@48:49</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Okay. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2931.61">@48:51</a> - Rich Gerdes So I don't know if they... And I think I haven't looked at the way... I haven't looked in depth at the way the registration module handles the right commerce. The registration module handles tickets, the concept of like, I don't know how it handles the purchasing of it, but commerce is the way that I think, oh, I remember how this works. I have looked at this in depth. The way that this works is kind of awkward, is that you essentially purchase an event. The record that gets purchased in commerce registration is the event thing. And then during registration or during checkout, you basically get a... You purchase the event, it results in registrations on the event? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2986.99">@49:46</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Basically, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=2987.97">@49:47</a> - Rich Gerdes So like, you basically would create an event product. Your event would be a product, and then you would be buying that event product. Oh, okay. And then during your checkout, you get a registration form, essentially, which is a valid way to do it, but then it locks you into using the product, the commerce product type as an entity for your events, which we are talking about not doing. So we would still need that glue for the ticketing system, which, if we want to have commerce, but there's possible other ways to do that. The only reason I wouldn't, so the thing is that commerce requires you to make purchasable entities purchasable, like you have to extend a purchasable entity class, and that would require, depending on all of commerce, in order to do that. Yeah, I don't like that. I didn't want, I don't think the registrar's model is going to want to do that. So, we might call it a purchasable registration, and that's what you actually check out, right? Your checkout flow goes through that purchasable registration. And that price, because you want to set the price, because you have to somewhere to set the price. have to have somewhere to like, yeah, so it could be just be a purchasable registration is the title of the thing. I called the tickets that it didn't have some weird blog name. But so there's a there's a pseudo analogous discussion that went on for CRM representation of memberships. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3092.13">@51:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And there's a CRM membership project now that handles that representation. And there is a CRM membership commerce module that basically provides the integration with commerce so that you can purchase a membership, right, using commerce. One of the things we talked about was more. Generally ignoring Drupal Commerce, right? Should a membership include a way to represent the price of the membership? And we ended, like, I wouldn't say we've ended on a solution there, but I think we might move in the direction of, well, no, right? A membership doesn't actually have to do with the pricing, right? That's handled elsewhere, whether it's through this Drupal Membership Commerce module, or maybe there's a Drupal Membership Stripe module, right? That's a lighter weight, you know, way to, like, you know, handle some of those things. Anyway, that's a very long-winded, down-the-road way to say. I think it's valuable for there to be multiple ways to handle payment for anything, right? And so for an event, while commerce is sort of an obvious... That's, you know, integration point. I also think ensuring the system can relatively easily support whatever other system somebody wants to use, right? Like an extension point, right? Yeah. It is important. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3194.39">@53:14</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. So it looks like the way commerce, CRM membership commerce works is that it is also using a product to manage that concept of a, a purchasable thing where like there's not going to contradict how this should be built, but there is a commerce subscription. Uh, module, which is probably how this should have been done, where you can select a subscription type. Uh, basically, yeah, some glue code where you attach a subscription type to a. Wait, you mean, you mean. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3240.01">@54:00</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You mean as far as, but isn't the subscription in commerce effectively duplicative of what a membership would be? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3248.51">@54:08</a> - Rich Gerdes Well, I'm saying that the idea of purchasing a subscription, the subscription, so the idea of a membership is just that you are a member, right? Yeah, yeah. You belong to the organization. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3258.81">@54:18</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Now, you might have membership tiers, right? Yes. And also we've said on those durations and things like that too. Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3266.29">@54:26</a> - Rich Gerdes So the idea of a subscription is the commerce subscription, right, is you're purchasing something that may be recurrable, right? Or maybe period-based. A product that has a start and an end date. That might be a 2026 membership from January 1st to, you know, December 31st. It could be a one-year subscription to a product, right? But the idea with commerce subscription is that there's this thing that you can buy, costs this price, and it lasts until an end date, whatever that end date is. So, um, So yeah, if I was implementing a membership payment system, I would have that concept of a subscription where on a, you go to the membership page, you see the subscription options, right? We don't have to call them subscriptions, but then you would use this process of like subscriptions configured with an end date. It can be automatically to the end of the year or to the end of the business period, the financial period, right? Or, you know, prorated for a certain number of, you know, there could be different logic to the how subscription works for that. Our license is one of the, yeah, there's a couple of different modules thing in the commerce space. License, I think they're actually on the subscription page. They say use license instead and license is the one that's maintained. Anyways, license, the idea with the license is you have a registration for a period of time. So the same thing, the idea was with event tickets, it would be something similar where you have that glue code that actually you set the price on the license side. And then on your membership, you say, if this license is selected, they get this membership relationship in the CRM, basically. Anyways, I don't want to re-architect what's being done. It has been done, it's just very recently, it has come into existence, now's the time. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3393.55">@56:33</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) If you have a few minutes to dive into it, please do offer any suggestions. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3399.91">@56:39</a> - Rich Gerdes So both commerce registration and CRM, whatever we just called that module, CRM member. Membership. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3411.57">@56:51</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Both of them are using products. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3413.35">@56:53</a> - Rich Gerdes So you still have to have a product that is checkout, like purchasable. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3417.13">@56:57</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And that's where my event ticket module is, is that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3421.29">@57:01</a> - Rich Gerdes Technically you could have used a product type, but you want to classify the tickets per thing, right? You want to classify the different ticket prices per event, not per. Yeah, I don't know. So instead of having a product that's stored somewhere else in Drupal Commerce's product system, you could have a purchase one and be named anything, right? So making that our own custom entity gave me full control over how that worked as opposed to just reusing product. It's the same way, like, why are we using nodes for events? Right. Right, like, why are we using products for everything that could be purchased in commerce when we have an entity system? Mm-hmm. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3470.89">@57:50</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Mm-hmm. And commerce supports any type of entity that is purchasable. What bonus features do you get with a product? Yeah. But you don't with a purchasable entity more generally. Like, is it? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3485.53">@58:05</a> - Rich Gerdes I don't think there's any, the, the, the only advantage I see of, so I don't know how much you know about commerce. Do you know much? Yeah, some, I mean, I've, I've used it, but you have, you have in commerce with Drupal eight plus you have products and you have product variations. So the idea is your product is like your product line, your MacBook pros, and then you can have different variations of MacBook pro. You can have your, you know, 13, 14, 16, whatever dimensions. And each one of those gets a product code, right? So the idea is that you get this product landing page and then you can pick the product you actually want from that page, right? You, and so products have some cool features for like specification, right? So you can actually, commerce has this cool feature where like the very. Variation form is what they call like the order form. You don't actually, your add to cart form for the products on the product variations on the product form, you don't actually see a list of the variations. You actually just get like what they call attributes. So you can say this MacBook, you might have 20 different versions of the MacBook, 2016 MacBook Pro or 2026 MacBook Pro, right? Based on the different RAM and graphics cards and memory and hard drives and CPUs and screen size and colors, those all become variations. So you get this form where you can dive into it and say, oh, I want a rose gold 16 inch MacBook Pro with a two terabyte hard drive. And then it will filter down the available options until you only get to like, until you select them all. And that's the Mac. Then it'll give you the product number and you add that to your cart, right? Instead of having to say, oh, here's a chart of all the different products that are available. I want that one. Which could be confusing, right? Like looking at a chart and having to say, oh, this is the rose gold MacBook Pro. This is the one I want versus just picking those options from drop-down lists. But I think it's a good feature. I don't necessarily know if that is needed for our system, right? I didn't feel like it was needed for tickets because I felt like tickets were general enough that like not unique enough that the thing about tickets, the way I looked at them in the future of that ecosystem is that like if you have a concert and you're actually selling seats in a theater, you would want to be able to only sell each seat once, which you could technically do with product variations. But I feel like would not necessarily be, like I'm not going to generate a list of variations, pre-generate a list of variations with product codes for each. I'm not going to pre-generate every single seat as a ticket and the bride and a drop-down list as an option. So that was sort of my approach. And also I felt like ticket types were very reusable, where like every time you create a new event, you have to create the subtypes, right? You have to create the variations. So if you used products as events, every time you create a new event product, you'd have to manually create all of the ticket types that go underneath it. It doesn't have a way to like easily, I mean, obviously Drupal has a way to clone stuff, but it didn't have like, commerce doesn't do the cloning. Like I feel like with events, you'd have to clone stuff and be a lot more steps where you could just say, oh, this is a, you know, sponsor ticket type, right? Yeah, I mean, I am, am, I am, <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3720.01">@1:02:00</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Are concerned about the complexity of commerce for our target audience? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3727.71">@1:02:07</a> - Rich Gerdes Well, that's, I think the answer there, I think the thing about commerce is that it is complex. And I don't know if I would not use commerce as a result of that. I think what I would do is actually look at making like, if there's certain, like, you don't need commerce products to use commerce. Right. And you could actually make a, like, simplified commerce module that shuts off a lot of the commerce configuration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3760.31">@1:02:40</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah. And, like, hides all the configuration menu items. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3764.49">@1:02:44</a> - Rich Gerdes Right. Right. Where it's like, you know, for your local HOA that just wants to accept dues, supply the config for the dues checkout flow. So, and recurring payments or whatever you need to do. And then just bury the interface so that people can't see that, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3787.21">@1:03:07</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It'll be the same with a bunch of CRM things as well. It's like member platform, like we don't need to expose to the average person all the levers and dials, right? Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3797.05">@1:03:17</a> - Rich Gerdes Well, that's like, I love the fact that like Jake put webform UI in, where it's like, you have webforms that are just config, or you can expose the UI. You can have views, but you don't necessarily need to expose the views UI to every admin user. Which may be something to like, maybe commerce should be doing that too. Split everything that commerce does into a commerce UI module and bury all of its functionality otherwise. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3826.51">@1:03:46</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I am fascinated by all of this. We could talk for hours. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3832.01">@1:03:52</a> - Rich Gerdes First, we need to get event and we need to get event identity registration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3837.21">@1:03:57</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah. right. ACTION ITEM: Complete Entity Registration PR (frontend); then JD/Steven test and define next tasks -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3838.9999"> WATCH</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3839.15">@1:03:59</a> - Rich Gerdes I got <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3840.01">@1:04:00</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So are there concrete tasks that could be defined where we could enlist support? Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3849.87">@1:04:09</a> - Rich Gerdes So I think my next step and the thing I'm going to focus on this weekend is to finish the registration, the first phase of the registration piece, which is right now, there's a PR up right now for providing a registration entity submodule. That does what we're looking for on the registration side. The code that's up there right now only does the backend piece of it. So it's setting up all the fields for that. I have a work locally that I have to finish for providing the front end phase of that, which is during the checkout process, actually selecting or filling out a form for the entity you're looking to register. Thank And I think that will provide most of the glue. I do think the question of how we want to handle paid events going forward is an open question that maybe we need to have a discussion with a small group with, which is, does this concept of a ticket make sense? It doesn't have to be called ticket. It can be called literally anything we want. could just be registration payment, registration cost, and you buy a registration cost instead of buying a registration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3930.45">@1:05:30</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Do you think that that discussion is a prerequisite for the more general entity registration work? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3941.27">@1:05:41</a> - Rich Gerdes No, I don't think so. I think my plan long-term anyway is that once the registration work is done, I will probably port my event ticket module to work with the registration module and that flow. So that in the future, you won't actually have to. So like my plan is to port. So that decision doesn't have to be done from a CRM member platform perspective if the plan is to just use event tickets for that. And like the ticket, from an event ticket point of view, your ticket type can just be called registration, right? It's just a ticket. The term ticket only matters to the Drupal source code. You can label your ticket types as whatever you want. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=3994.25">@1:06:34</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And I guess I'm thinking from an end user's perspective, like I'm an organizer of a meetup group. I would create, there would be at least one event type. I would create some events, right? I would create a, you'd have a registration type provider. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4020.01">@1:07:00</a> - Rich Gerdes I did by member platform for CRM for contact registration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4025.47">@1:07:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) A registration type, would the registration type not be more specific? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4039.03">@1:07:19</a> - Rich Gerdes The registration type is more of a relationship between the different things. I would say for a given event, you wouldn't add a new type of registration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4051.83">@1:07:31</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4052.83">@1:07:32</a> - Rich Gerdes But you have to select for a given event what types of registrations are available. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4058.45">@1:07:38</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) What I'm trying to tease out is like, as an organizer, do I need to think about creating ticket types, entity registration types, event, and events? It's like a lot. like, I just want to create an event, you know what I mean? Like, it's like... Can we get away with a single registration type for member platform? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4086.27">@1:08:06</a> - Rich Gerdes I think there are ways in the UI, even if you had a second type of entity, that you could obscure that concept, right? Where you could have during the, whatever form is creating that registration type could ask you, when you're attaching that registration type to the event, there could be some sort of box that says this will cost something. Enter the price, like a checkbox to say, you must pay the price, right? could, I think you could modify the flow of right now, right now with ticket, you have to set, you don't actually link. You don't, with, with, when you use the ticket flow with event right now, you attach a ticket to an event. And then You attach the registration type to that ticket. And then registration. And there's a way, like I set registrations, you can't manually. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4149.63">@1:09:09</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You're registering for the ticket, not for the event? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4154.29">@1:09:14</a> - Rich Gerdes You check out, you buy the ticket, right? And during the checkout flow, you create your registration. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4160.11">@1:09:20</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You fill out the registration info. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4163.41">@1:09:23</a> - Rich Gerdes So the registration doesn't get created until you enter the checkout flow. Right, so just semantics of when it happens, right? So that's from an end user perspective is that as an end user, you only get the option. So if you don't have tickets enabled and you have registrations, oh, I have different types of registrations. And then I use permissions to determine if you can create them on demand. So if there are no registration types that are created. If the anonymous user or the member user can't create any registration types on a given event, then there's no option to do so. But I think we can rework the process, I think, so that the form for an admin user of CRM or a member platform gets a simpler form, right? Where we modify that flow in such a way that you don't have to look at the ticket types or the registration types. The hard part is that with my implementation is that right now registrations, there could be a start and end period to when you can register. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4244.53">@1:10:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) But also, you might have different ticket types, and the ticket types might be available at certain times, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4249.43">@1:10:49</a> - Rich Gerdes You have early bird tickets, you've got regular tickets, and you've got late tickets, right? So they all have the same attention. Attendee registration type, but at different cost points, right? So you can't just create an attendee registration. You have to do that as part of the checkout flow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4273.21">@1:11:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So for member platform, though, we probably would need to also be able to create registrations that are not part of a checkout flow. such things, that's a permissions thing, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4288.65">@1:11:28</a> - Rich Gerdes So if the permission on the event lets you do that, right? So it's all permission. It's Drupal's permission system that dictates who can create what, when, basically. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4303.35">@1:11:43</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I guess, so tickets, though, is a... You can also have a free ticket that sends you through the registration flow and creates a registration without making you pay anything. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4315.09">@1:11:55</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, okay. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4316.43">@1:11:56</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4317.87">@1:11:57</a> - Rich Gerdes But it's not the same as just RSVP. Being yes, for yourself, right? So that's, there is a difference there. It's like, yeah, you can use registration without tickets and you can use tickets without registration. You can just pay to go to an event and not actually fill out the information form. But when they're together, you can have tickets create registrations basically. Does that at all make sense? Kind of. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4351.31">@1:12:31</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It's still a little nebulous in my mind. The like levels of abstraction are a little mind boggling. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4355.73">@1:12:35</a> - Rich Gerdes Right. And that's reasonable. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4359.69">@1:12:39</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I think the key, yeah, the key to all this is it has to be simple enough for the end user in the end, right? But I think honestly, all of that, from my perspective, can be postponed, right? From, from every platform's perspective, like. We don't even need paid anything to start. So my only concern is like, does, do discussions around that need to happen to help guide architecture that needs to be done now, right? I don't think so. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4397.51">@1:13:17</a> - Rich Gerdes I think even if we decide the interface has to be different, I think there's ways to implement that without, like, I think if you're going to have commerce, if you're not going to make registrations depend on commerce, you need a second entity type to be purchasable. Whether it's a product variation or whether that is a custom purchasable entity, you need that concept. Now, if we're going to not go with the commerce approach and go with the Stripe approach, right? Having a custom payment module and a CRM checkout module of our own, or CRM payment module of our own, that will probably also need some way to designate what. What is purchasable and what their prices are, which is why I think I would implement Commerce, but then put Simplify Commerce's wrapper, like leverage all the stuff that Commerce guys have done, but bury the interfaces. So powered by Drupal Commerce, but not all of Drupal Commerce. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4459.57">@1:14:19</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So I am torn at this point on the like, do we just say Commerce? And like do everything there and more tightly couple to that versus we've got all of this logic related to event registration and this and that, right? That doesn't have to depend on Commerce, right? Like we can have, there are going to be people who want to do something else, right, for whatever reason. And I am a little concerned. concerned. do of I I don't don't Just because of how much there is in Drupal Commerce, about commerce keeping up, you know what I mean? Like, it's so dependent on Centauro. Like, is Drupal Commerce, is there a chance that that doesn't keep up such that we can depend on it having, you know, releases when we need them? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4528.99">@1:15:28</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, I mean, I don't know if, I mean, I think the biggest challenge is Drupal upgrades, right, with Commerce, is that they have sometimes lagged behind on the Drupal upgrade a little bit. I think they've been better with Drupal 11, and they're pretty good with Drupal 11. think it was the Drupal 9, Drupal 10 one that they had a lot of changes that they had to get through that I think they just took a little while. So I think that's definitely a concern. I think the question really ends up being, is that such a bad concern to have versus... Versus Maintaining our own Stripe API, right? Well, and I don't think we should maintain our own Stripe API. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4566.81">@1:16:06</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It's more, should we allow, should we facilitate other people having those options that are not commerce? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4575.81">@1:16:15</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, and I think that's the question of like, is, what is the other, like, there is no other ecosystem that I'm aware of that does what commerce does within Drupal with checkouts. And if there is, I'd be curious to know how that works, right? Like, is there, like, I know that there's, like, you can add PayPal buttons to things with just a generic PayPal button. thought maybe, I think what I'm going to add is, if you think about, like, the things that must be done when purchasing a ticket, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4607.41">@1:16:47</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And the information must be provided, right? You're filling out attendee information, whatever, you know, t-shirt size, whatever questions need to be asked, right? That's stuff that can all be done using entity registration, right? That's right? Before we even get to the payment piece. Yeah, absolutely. And then the last, the piece that must be done in Drupal Commerce or some other payment solution, right, is like, is the payment. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4632.55">@1:17:12</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, well, and so I think what you can do with Commerce is that you can actually install just what you need of Commerce, right? And that may not be the checkout flow. We may have our own CRM checkout module. I see what you're saying. That uses Commerce's payment gateway system. Yeah. Right, we don't have to write our own payment gateways. We've got our own cart. But it does our own checkout cart management and checkout flow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4661.25">@1:17:41</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) There's a question, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4662.31">@1:17:42</a> - Rich Gerdes Is that where, you know, you could bring part of Commerce in. Obviously, you to download all of Commerce. There's no way to just download part of it. But you could bring in part of Commerce. And then, now, unfortunately, there's some stuff in Commerce that requires you to enable. There's something something really special. special. So you could enable Commerce Core and enable Commerce Payment. And you may need carts, but like, you can enable just the payment piece of Commerce, maybe. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4718.05">@1:18:38</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4718.93">@1:18:38</a> - Rich Gerdes I think we have to do proof of concept to see if it's how bad it is and what actually needs to be enabled. And yeah, I mean, I think the question about Commerce keeping up and Commerce taking our feedback and improvements is an interesting question. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely some, the possibility of some improvements. And I think if we could provide feedback to commerce, like these make commerce really awkward, like commerce may be open to improvements, but I also think the idea of like a simplified UI on top of commerce may be something worth considering, where if it's like, we can fix the weird dependency on products, so products don't have to be installed outside of the use of products. And then we can bury all the commerce configure-wise so that we provide a default checkout flow, we provide like a CRM checkout flow, and you just select your payment provider, but then give you the option to install any commerce payment provider you want, PayPal, Stripe, whatever. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4785.67">@1:19:45</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I almost wonder if that checkout flow is not CRM specific, but just event specific? I don't even know. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4797.87">@1:19:57</a> - Rich Gerdes Anyways, yeah, basically, well, basically, if you could provide... The simplified commerce thing could just be super generic, right? You could just have commerce simplified and just bury all the cart config, all the order config, all that, and make a single form where you select all the options for that, right? Pass in the purchasable entity. And that form just modifies the config and all the other part of commerce that it needs to modify to set up what you need. I see. Right? You load up the cart entity, make the modifications to cart entity where you think you need to. You load up the checkout flow, you modify the checkout flow. But then when you enable something like commerce or CRM registration, it can provide a step for that simplified checkout flow, basically. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4851.05">@1:20:51</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, no, I think there's a lot to that. And that's part of what scares me is that there is a lot to that, right? the way. Okay. Like, there is tremendous, the tremendous value that I see in commerce for member platform is the, all the payment integrations. Yeah. Right? Okay, there's a lot else that's there as far as cart checkout flow, you know, it's all plugged We don't even, we don't even care about things for subscription to a member. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4889.41">@1:21:29</a> - Rich Gerdes You don't even care about the cart. So either you sign up or you don't put in your credit card and you move on. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4895.47">@1:21:35</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You don't have to really add it to your cart and then go back to it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4897.79">@1:21:37</a> - Rich Gerdes Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. If you're just buying a single ticket for a given event, you don't really need a cart. If you're doing a ticket plus guests, maybe. Right, you don't need to check the commerce checkout flow. You just need the payment gateway that's already implemented. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4912.47">@1:21:52</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Thank Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4920.95">@1:22:00</a> - Rich Gerdes But yeah, mean, think there's a lot of, like, commerce is really powerful. The question is, is too powerful for people who aren't working in, like, sales, right? Like, if you just have your HOA people trying to track dues, can commerce be simplified to a point where the HOA president can go in and say, here's our payment provider, right? Whatever your credit card processor or ACH transfer processor is. Right? Like, they need to be able to just select whatever their backend is. Like, I don't know how you are, I mean, or for the treasurer to go in and say, okay, this person paid up to, you know, this quarter or this month or eight. If there's physical checks that are getting received somewhere, like, you just need to accept, like, someone needs, I mean, I think most people either send the check or they have auto ACH transfer. So it's like, how do you set up that process? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=4983.41">@1:23:03</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) The other thing I'm thinking about is there are going to be plenty of organizations for which some subset of the member platform feature set is what they're interested in, and they want to use something else, maybe because they already are, right? And so as it relates to commerce and payments, right? Look, all right, my organization doesn't want to deal with the complexity of switching around payment stuff, right? But we want all this other good stuff. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5015.07">@1:23:35</a> - Rich Gerdes And we just want, you know, to integrate from whatever our existing payment thing is and have it trigger, you know, and Drupal, hey, this person's now a member, let them register for events, like do this other stuff or whatever it is, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5030.67">@1:23:50</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And I worry a little bit about like, how do we support that if we go down the rabbit hole of Like, well, you got to use commerce. You know what I mean? Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5043.11">@1:24:03</a> - Rich Gerdes I mean, that's the question of like, there's, take, for example, an HOA that does checks, right? Like my HOA, I can do an ACH transfer, I think, but I have to set it up myself, or maybe I set it up if my bank sends the check to the HOA automatically for me. Easy. But whatever happens, the bank, the HOA gets the check, right? The treasurer receives the check in the mail. The treasurer doesn't have to go through a checkout flow. They just need to go into the system and say, okay, know, this, you know, one, one main street has paid their dues for the week, right? Or the month. And you just have to go and flag that member as being paid up until the end of the month, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5084.07">@1:24:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And then that gives them access to do whatever else, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5087.05">@1:24:47</a> - Rich Gerdes Their pool passes now work, right? Your digital pool passes work for the summer or whatever, right? Because you paid your dues. It's an interesting question. For all of that, because. Yeah, I mean, you just wouldn't enable the commerce piece of it all if your users weren't signing in to do the commerce stuff. If you want to accept payments, you need that payment gateway. And either you do that or not. If you want to handle payments externally, if you already have a PayPal button that your members have clicked in the past and have already had some recurring payments through, do you necessarily want to force them to redo that? Or do you want to just automate the sync with PayPal to detect those payments and flag those, at which point you probably are going to have a developer do that? So I think the question ends up being, what are the goals of member platform? I don't think for V1, commerce member platform probably needs checkout. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5144.19">@1:25:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) No. Right. I think the question ends up being, if you're running a meetup and you want to pay, have paid event attendance. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5152.67">@1:25:52</a> - Rich Gerdes That's, I think, the only exception to that, where it's like, is that an MVP requirement or is that a... Paid is out of... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5159.71">@1:25:59</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) of... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5160.01">@1:26:00</a> - Rich Gerdes Out of scope for MVP. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5161.53">@1:26:01</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5162.63">@1:26:02</a> - Rich Gerdes So I would say, yeah, we don't have to make a decision on how payments are going to get handled right now. I do think it's worth discussing with a team of is commerce too much? And that may just be simply making a proof of concept and bringing that to the end user, right? I'm a new person, you know, walk through the, talk through the scenario. I'm a new person hosting a meetup. I want to have paid registrations. I'm going enable this module. I have to do X, Y, and Z to get going, whether it's setting up PayPal or that. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5195.91">@1:26:35</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) And there's, there's the, there's the initial setup at the system level, like, okay, I need to integrate with our PayPal or whatever, right? Like I need to authorize our API key. Whatever. And then there's the, I'm an organizer of an already set up system, right? I just need to manage future events. Yeah. The prices of these tickets. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5220.01">@1:27:00</a> - Rich Gerdes And that's all I have to do, which is not too bad. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5224.23">@1:27:04</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, I'm less concerned. I'm less concerned about the, well, how do I put this? I think that the complexity of setting up, say, commerce payment, whatever the terminology is, know, gateway integration. I think that that can be ignored to a certain extent, because realistically, the target audience of member platform, for the most part, is not going to have the technical expertise to set up Drupal, let alone other stuff. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5269.93">@1:27:49</a> - Rich Gerdes And they need to have, they need to have a SaaS solution, which can handle the payment setup part for them. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5276.83">@1:27:56</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You know what I mean? Yeah, we go out to PayPal, set up, they give us. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5281.69">@1:28:01</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah, mean, that might be the way to do it. And if that SaaS solution already had a payment gateway, that they just had to drop in their account number of where they want the payments to end into our admin. Hey, look, done. Right? When you sign up, you say, what's your routing number and account number? And will ACH send you the money once it goes through our PayPal process or whatever that is? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5308.65">@1:28:28</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, mean, realistically, it's more in the vein of, oh, like... Yeah, I mean, I think the thing about the... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5318.05">@1:28:38</a> - Rich Gerdes I think the biggest concern about commerce is that commerce is complicated to set up. I think if we had an event, a site template, right, a set of config, and you had a customized installation process like Drupal CRM has, where you just asked them, right, where then on the... First install, you just select, want commerce, and you input the API key for PayPal, and you're getting a default checkout flow, and you're getting a default registration flow from the recipes you've selected. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5356.41">@1:29:16</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Then, as an end user, you don't actually have to worry about commerce. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5360.47">@1:29:20</a> - Rich Gerdes You get all the power of commerce. Now, if you have to change your payment gateway because PayPal's licensing fees are too high and you want to use something else, that's a completely different story, and maybe we have a simplified commerce admin, and we can make a form that just does those changes for you in a generic way, and we can vary. I've always thought the idea of a simplified commerce might be a good thing, like a single config form that does some of the pre-configuration for you. Anyways, I do have a two o'clock meeting, so I have to run, but is there anything else you wanted to touch on? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5397.95">@1:29:57</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) No, this is helpful. I think my only, like, last parting words would be, like, hey, like, you clearly have some things on your plate here, but, like, how can we distribute the workload, right? So if you think of a, you know, if you can define tasks and things, like, we can promote and try to find people to work on them. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5417.75">@1:30:17</a> - Rich Gerdes Yeah. But I realize that's also work. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5420.67">@1:30:20</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/gRzkYWbH2kHf7yHiZanGoNPs6JatVZgp?timestamp=5421.53">@1:30:21</a> - Rich Gerdes It's my day job, isn't it? Yeah, no, absolutely. I think I just have to push up the code change. I have to finish and push up the code changes I have. I think, and then we can test that, maybe do a proof-to-proof concept and test that and figure out what's next for tasks. But absolutely, I think I'm happy to have other people work on stuff after I get that done. It's just something I just have done most of it already, and it's silly to have someone else start from zero. So let see what I can do in the next couple days with getting that done, and then hopefully do some actionable stuff next week. Yeah. Sounds good, Rich. Thanks so much. Have a good day. Yep, you too. Bye.

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