>>> [!note] Migrated issue <!-- Drupal.org comment --> <!-- Migrated from issue #3577339. --> Reported by: [jdleonard](https://www.drupal.org/user/80902) >>> <h2>Google Doc</h2> <p>You might find the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DOw3sdSAR1QIFT7Usu-N1L4eeIzUISKB3HWJOMUqBKc/edit?tab=t.0">Google Doc</a> for this meeting (from which the notes are copied) to be easier to consume and to include additional detail (e.g. comments) not present in this issue. If this meeting hasn't happened yet, find and add to the agenda in that doc anytime before the meeting.</p> <h2>Member Platform Meeting</h2> <p> February 26, 2026 at 10:00am CST </p> <h3>Meeting Notifications, Agendas, Past Notes, Slack Channel</h3> <p> See <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/member/issues/3505938">[Meta] Member Platform meetings</a> </p> <h3>Who is here?</h3> <p> Include your Drupal.org username in parentheses if you have one. </p> <ul> <li>Adam John (mradamjohn)</li> <li>Scott Wolpow (scottwolpow)</li> <li>Steve Ayers (bluegeek9)</li> </ul> <h3>What Topics Should We Discuss? / Limited Human Notes</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=133aszHtl2ICzz8gH3MZHOGez1ji6aXZR&amp;usp=drive_fs">Recording</a></li> <li>Quick introductions</li> <li>Track statuses and next steps</li> <ul> <li>Event management / event registration</li> <li>Composing/sending emails to members</li> <li>Member profile and directory (AJ)</li> <li>Membership tracking (CRM Membership; not needed for MP 1.0, but high current interest)</li> <li>CRM (Steve A)</li> <li>Wireframes / mockups (Scott W)</li> <li>Documentation</li> </ul> <li>Additional agenda by<a href="https://drupal.slack.com/team/U5CA2KS59"> @mradamjohn</a> who is leading this meeting</li> <li>Coworking time following the meeting</li> <li>Event platform / camps</li> <li>Contact methods / reference / Contact Access Grants / <a href="https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/drupal-apis/access-policy-api">Access API</a></li> </ul> <h3>Action Items</h3> <ul> <li>Track leads need to drive updates / set meetings as appropriate</li> <li>CRM</li> <ul> <li>OnePageCRM migrate, testing use case w/Bob</li> <li>CRMcore - DrupalCRM migrate WIP, needs test case</li> <li>RedHen migration, need people for collaboration</li> <li>CiviCRM migration, need people for collaboration</li> </ul> <li>What are DrupalCamps / Camps using?</li> </ul> <h2><strong>Fathom AI Summary</strong></h2> <p> <strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c">VIEW RECORDING - 77 mins (No highlights)</a></strong> </p> <h3><strong>Meeting Purpose</strong></h3> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=710.0">To align on the Member Platform's profile/directory strategy and discuss related CRM topics.</a> </p> <h3><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></h3> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=731.0">Profile/Directory MVP: The MVP will focus on the functional gap between Drupal's native capabilities and CiviCRM's advanced features, starting with a basic contact list before building out complex hierarchies.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1411.0">CRM Migration Strategy: Active migrations are underway from One-Page CRM, CRM Core (D7), and RedHen. CiviCRM migration is blocked by a large feature gap, as CiviCRM is a full application, not just a contact manager.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2760.0">Central Integration Hub: A new module was proposed to link CRM contacts to any Drupal entity (e.g., files, directory listings), solving the current problem where modules must be explicitly CRM-aware to integrate.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1580.0">Project Funding: A 501(c)(3) nonprofit was suggested to receive corporate donations and grants, providing a formal fiduciary structure for the project.</a></strong></li> </ul> <h3><strong>Topics</strong></h3> <h4><strong>Member Profile &amp; Directory Strategy</strong></h4> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=731.0">Goal: Define the MVP for the member profile and directory.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=790.0">Approach: Identify the functional gap between Drupal's native capabilities and CiviCRM's advanced features.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=872.0">MVP Scope: Start with a basic contact list, then build out complex structures like organizational hierarchies and reporting lines.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=977.0">Access Control:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=977.0">Role-based permissions are insufficient for complex hierarchies.</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=977.0">Scott's current project uses CRM to define permissions based on a user's position, allowing top-down control (e.g., a manager can edit their team's info).</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2571.0">The CRM module's contact access grants feature provides granular permissions (view, update, delete) based on relationships, enabling this type of control.</a></li> </ul> </ul> <h4><strong>CRM Migration &amp; Feature Gap</strong></h4> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1411.0">Active Migrations:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1411.0">One-Page CRM: API and migration module are complete for contacts and companies.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1524.0">CRM Core (D7): A migration path to Drupal CRM exists; Steven is seeking edit access to the project page to update it.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2100.0">RedHen: Migration is in progress.</a></strong></li> </ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3788.0">CiviCRM Migration:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3788.0">Blocker: CiviCRM is a full application, not just a contact manager. The feature gap is too large for a simple data migration.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3320.0">Key Features to Replicate:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3320.0">Email campaign management (segmentation, bounces, opens)</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3667.0">Dues/payment processing</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3688.0">Sales/prospecting tools</a></li> </ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3247.0">Note: CiviCRM 6.x now uses a single Drupal database, which simplifies data access but does not close the feature gap.</a></strong></li> </ul> </ul> <h4><strong>Proposed Central Integration Hub</strong></h4> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2927.0">Problem: Modules must be explicitly CRM-aware to link to contacts, preventing integration with existing or future modules.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2760.0">Solution: A new module to act as a central hub for linking CRM contacts to any Drupal entity.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2760.0">Implementation:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2852.0">Location: A new Member Platform module or a CRM add-on.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2983.0">Rationale: Keep the CRM core module clean and focused on its primary function.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=2808.0">Technical Note: The Dynamic Entity Reference module was mentioned as a potential model, but it has known performance and schema issues.</a></strong></li> </ul> </ul> <h4><strong>Project Funding &amp; Organization</strong></h4> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1580.0">Need: A formal structure to receive corporate donations and grants.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1616.0">Proposal: Establish a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1743.0">Benefit: Provides a legal and financial fiduciary, mitigating risk for contributors.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1655.0">Resource: Father Sean (Drupal NYC) was suggested as an advisor for setting up a small nonprofit.</a></strong></li> </ul> <h4><strong>Related Drupal Technologies</strong></h4> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=4185.0">Access Policy API: A core API that provides context-aware permissions, enabling the scoped access control needed for hierarchies.</a></strong></li> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=4391.0">ECA (Event Condition Action): The modern evolution of the Rules module, backed by Acquia, for building complex workflows.</a></strong></li> </ul> <h3><strong>Next Steps</strong></h3> <ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1260.0">aj-audio:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1260.0">Formulate a more directive proposal for the Member Profile/Directory MVP to focus community feedback.</a></li> </ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1411.0">Steven:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1411.0">Continue active CRM migrations (One-Page CRM, CRM Core, RedHen).</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1524.0">Request edit access to the CRM Core project page to update its migration status.</a></li> </ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3247.0">Scott:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=3247.0">Investigate CiviCRM 6.x's single-database structure to assess its impact on migration complexity.</a></li> </ul> <li><strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1791.0">All:</a></strong></li> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?tab=summary&amp;timestamp=1791.0">Keep the 501(c)(3) nonprofit discussion on the back burner, revisiting it as the project matures.</a></li> </ul> </ul> <h3><strong>Action Items</strong></h3> <ul> <li><strong>Post meeting notes/doc in Member Platform chat</strong> - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=445.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> <li><strong>Email CRM Core maintainer re: edit access; follow up</strong> - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1513.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> <li><strong>Confirm CiviCRM 6+ uses Drupal users/db; test migration path</strong> - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3236.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> </ul> <h2><strong>Fathom AI Transcript</strong></h2> <p> <strong><a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c">VIEW RECORDING - 77 mins (No highlights)</a></strong> </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4.8">@0:04</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Thank you. Morning, Adam. How goes the battle? You're on mute. So we were just talking about F So we </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=135.48">@2:15</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> All right, go ahead. All right. All right. Hey there, Scott. I can see you're on the phone. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=160.38">@2:40</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> This meeting is being live-streamed. Yes. Hey, what's the best AI to build a theme with? Because I'm using Claude, and it's just going horrible. </p> <p> It just won't work. And it keeps on building itself. I mean, I've used Claude to build a theme. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=177.28">@2:57</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I've used it to tweak. No, I built a theme from... We're into our time now, and I see there's a couple of people, and we're recording, but I had another conversation earlier today with someone about AI, and they weren't a fan, and I wanted to understand why, and basically it came down to learning how to use the tool. </p> <p> But that's what it is with each and every one of these, we call them platforms, they've got their own nuances to how best to, you know, herd the cats, so to speak. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=274.28">@4:34</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> In terms of 20 people doing the Comic-Cons, and I told a person, this is how you undo the chess set and unpack it and move it, and I know how to do it, you don't have to tell me. </p> <p> I fine. Comes up to me during the show, head down, I broke some pieces. How'd you break the pieces? </p> <p> Well, it's putting in my flip and they weren't flying. Yes, that's why I gave you precise instructions how to do it, because I learned... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=360.0">@6:00</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> That's really funny. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=361.06">@6:01</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> wasn't Weird Science. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=362.44">@6:02</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> It's the one with... No respect, no respect guy. Val Kilmer. No, the fat comedian. The comedian, that was S name, I think. </p> <p> Back to School was the name of the movie. Rodney Dangerfield. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=379.88">@6:19</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Rodney Dangerfield, that's it, yeah, yeah, yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=381.42">@6:21</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Oh, yeah, you're right, you're correct. was Back to School. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=384.54">@6:24</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Dad, I don't want my science homework done by NASA. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=390.82">@6:30</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> No, no one? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=391.78">@6:31</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Yeah, no, no, I laughed, I laughed. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=394.1">@6:34</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I know it's done. I got you. a back of School, Stolen from My Life. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=401.82">@6:41</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I've written in high school a paper on Slaughterhouse-Five, where I preposterated that Millie Pilgrim's life was really, you know, on other planets was the reality, and the Earth was the fantasy. </p> <p> And I backed it up with lines from the book and my TV. Teacher Mrs. Heumann said I was wrong. </p> <p> And about a year after graduating, I went to a party, and who was there? But Kurt Vonnegut himself. And I asked him, and he said, basically, no, you're correct. </p> <p> The way you interpret it is where you interpret it. There's no right or wrong. So then I watched the movie six months later, and there's almost the same thing where Kurt Vonnegut's getting in trouble for getting an F, finding a paper in his own book. </p> <p> <strong>ACTION ITEM: Post meeting notes/doc in Member Platform chat -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=445.9999"> WATCH</a></strong> </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=456.98">@7:36</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Hey, how does JD usually do this? Does he post the document in the member platform? In In chat? Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=464.08">@7:44</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I'll do that then. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=467.12">@7:47</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Cool. I don't have, we chatted for like 30 seconds, and I don't really have an additional agenda, but I did want to say, I'll go around the room if we have an office. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=540.001">@9:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> To-do list, just so I can stop getting things that don't work that we're supposed to the first time and use up my entire day instead of one hour, I'd have that time. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=549.721">@9:09</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=551.121">@9:11</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Trying to install Civvy CRM, what a nightmare. Oh, yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=557.061">@9:17</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I haven't done it in a solid year and a half, two years, but it's always been a headache. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=562.141">@9:22</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. My client thinks it's the best thing ever. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=567.581">@9:27</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Most clients will track based on results, right? And so if they're getting good results from something, then they're going to love it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=575.881">@9:35</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Last night we had an argument. I said, we're not giving a client, an in-client admin access to everything. Well, why not? </p> <p> It's easier for them to do things. Yeah, like screw up the whole website. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=587.761">@9:47</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Like absolutely bork everything. I said, when they do that, who's the first person they blame? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=593.321">@9:53</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> The developers. Right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=595.341">@9:55</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And so I create a really fine line on that when I talk to people. That's of their people did, because they shared their password with them, of course. </p> <p> And, you know, anyway, I'm going down a rabbit hole, but long and short is that they're, yeah, it's a common problem, and I hear you. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=672.421">@11:12</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And make them sign a statement that says, if give you this access, I'm not responsible for anything that goes wrong from this point on. </p> <p> You sign off on, you know, on the 26th of February, everything works perfectly, and then it breaks, I'm not guaranteeing anything. </p> <p> Yeah. So I had a person one time, could not upload what they wanted to Joomla, wouldn't accept it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=698.641">@11:38</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. And the site goes down, and what went wrong, I look in, I see there's a WordPress plug-in that was FTP'd into the system. </p> <p> That's great. All right, maybe I'll start off with updates on the member platform stuff. Remember, profile, directory, and this might segue nicely into you, Steve. </p> <p> with So, So, I'll I'll I'll start Um, is, uh, there's, uh, I, we had had some cycling in the, in the chat with a couple of folks about some things with, with members, member profile and directory. </p> <p> Um, but I, I was digging into some of those things that, uh, CRM does and, um, you know, recognizing that, you know, while our MVP is, uh, uh, requires users, um, that, that that's probably not, um, a good requirement to have for, uh, the directory. </p> <p> So, um, what I, what I realized with that was, and this is what I, the kind of conversation I want to have with, with, uh, folks in kind of in the chat that, that might want to contribute to it is, um, you know, so there's, there's a number of things that Drupal, and this is not the same, it's a, it's a flavor of conversation that's happened elsewhere in member platform in this group, but it's, I don't know that this. </p> <p> This has been said this way. So there's things that Drupal does natively, that Drupal does well, you know, or adequately in core or common contrib modules. </p> <p> But really what I think is important to identify for the profile and directory is what is the gap of things? </p> <p> So that's why I was digging into CRM and understanding, okay, so if we did just basic filters, that's a views kind of fields, kind of, you know, fieldable entity. </p> <p> Kind of direction that there's a lot of stuff out there for. But if we look at the gap, not the gap, but the overlap between like CRM functionality and say, you know, the configuration. </p> <p> So I saw your, by the way, Steve, nice job on the Florida Drupal thing. So I watched that and I was thinking about what I had to work on at the same time, of course. </p> <p> And the, and I saw some of the configuration and I thought, you know, that's. that's. Key, you know, in the fact that there's some configuration that doesn't, isn't exposed natively through Drupal or through the, that's the overlap I think that would be key to identify for profile and directory. </p> <p> At least that's my thinking at this point. I'm open to, you know, any other thoughts on the matter, but yeah. </p> <p> Yeah. And so that's why I pinged Steve. That's why I pinged that thread in CRM about that kind of idea. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=872.961">@14:32</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, I've been chewing that idea over. When you say like a directory, are you looking for Bob reports to Jane who reports to Roberto? </p> <p> Or is it that they're at the LA office versus the New York office versus, oh, so both, both. I see. </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=897.021">@14:57</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. So you've, you've, you've hit the nail. So certain words mean certain things to certain people, right? And the reason I'm looking over there, not over there, is because that's where I see your face. </p> <p> Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head on how this can kind of spin out into a lot more than a basic member profile, member directory. </p> <p> And I think that ultimately both are important, but starting off with just a list of contacts, and then I think the MVP, if you were to identify one for member profile, member directory, is to say similar to how you identify the field stuff between CRM and users. </p> <p> And that was the part that clicked for me when I saw you doing that in the presentation. I was like, that's kind of what we need to do for a directory, is to say, okay, give them some, because there's, like I said, things that Drupal does natively, and that's kind of where I was stuck for a little while. </p> <p> And so to answer your question, ultimately the path would be both, but I think first, identifying with that minimum level of configuration that's necessary to make it useful for most people is where we need to start. </p> <p> That's my thinking. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=977.141">@16:17</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So I've been working on a similar issue in that I have to build a system that allows a hierarchy within a company, but also assume that the administration's assistance for a boss can change his information or change, know, people in the company, but it's supposed to be top-down where, you know, a manager can do everyone below them, but someone below them can't do someone above them, except for special occasions. </p> <p> So rather than a parent-child relationship, when you use CRM as the toggle, and you see on this one, this user with this position can change this person's. </p> <p> So it's CRM that's doing it, but it's not rolled. Because if you do role-based, it's not going to work, and you're to drive yourself insane. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1025.92">@17:05</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, role-based, you get yourself into a lot of other Drupal-esque caveats. Hopefully, I'll be building that this weekend if I get all my other stuff done. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1035.86">@17:15</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Let me understand what you're building exactly. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1038.8">@17:18</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> You're building that hierarchical, permission-based, contacts, CRM-based, delegation of authority kind of permission access? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1047.38">@17:27</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So I'm using groups, organic groups also, groups. Groups are organic. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1054.32">@17:34</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> So when you register your company, you're registering a person that owns a company. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1060.12">@17:40</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So the company is not a login-logout entity, and then you create users underneath that. And that used the CRM to identify their position in the company. </p> <p> But then you'll be able to say, okay, this person with this position can also edit these throughout the organization. </p> <p> Or... Because you could never get the data correctly, where you get a chain, and the chain, a local store could change their hours, but the chain itself could change different specials and coupons, you know, because you need that flexibility on what you can and can't do. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1159.8">@19:19</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> But there was no ability for someone below the thing to do anything above them. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1163.34">@19:23</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So if you edit your store, you can edit your store hours and so forth, but the region can edit your hours. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1170.0">@19:30</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, mean, you're talking about codifying business rules, and sometimes business rules are, in codifying business rules, you discover conflicts. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1179.04">@19:39</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Right. Yeah. But CRM is going be the base for everything, so, and what's good about CRM is they can be users in the system, but they don't have to be. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1190.18">@19:50</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Right, yeah, definitely, definitely. All right, so that's kind of my update on member profile, member director. Thank you. For my piece as well soon, I think that an approach I might take is just to set it up a good two, three, four weeks in advance and say, okay, next month or two, three weeks from now, this date, this timeframe, how does this work? </p> <p> Anybody have any feedback on this? Not how does, you know, trying to put it out there, just that this is what we're doing. </p> <p> And what do you guys think, you know, as opposed to a little more, a little more directive than, than, than open, just because it feels like, and this, you know, I'll say this before I say what I was going to say. </p> <p> I love how this community has been, and because that's what we're building at the end of the day with the member platform set of things. </p> <p> We're building a community, people that are developers, contributors, and, and, and workers in a variety of aspects around Drupal, right? </p> <p> So I love how this community is engaged. Where are you based, Adam? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1382.16">@23:02</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I'm East Coast. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1383.12">@23:03</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I'm in Metro New York, like you. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1385.18">@23:05</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Where in New York are you? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1388.14">@23:08</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Westchester. Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1390.08">@23:10</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1392.02">@23:12</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, so we could meet sometime. I'm now sharing it with the whole group. We've actually met before at some of the Drupal meetups in the city, and it's been a couple years, but yeah, yeah. </p> <p> Oh, I remember that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1406.9">@23:26</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1407.86">@23:27</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, yeah. All right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1411.56">@23:31</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I do have two small updates. Yeah. So one person in the Drupal community, as well as one meetup and one camp, use one-page CRM. </p> <p> So we did create an API and a migration module, and so we were able to migrate the companies and the contacts. </p> <p> Yes. I think we have A little bit left to do with the relationships, but it's basically done. Also, So that worked for him? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1447.88">@24:07</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> was Bob, right? Right. Wasn't it? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1450.04">@24:10</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Did that work for him? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1451.54">@24:11</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Mm-hmm. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1452.5">@24:12</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Well, I mean, it worked for me. Right. I got the, I got the API from him. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1464.44">@24:24</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1465.0">@24:25</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Fair enough. As far as it goes, have you heard back from Bob as far as did he have a chance to test it? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1470.78">@24:30</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> He was in Florida. Oh, okay. So I, I tested it in front of him. Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1479.14">@24:39</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Okay. All right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1484.08">@24:44</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I mean, there's, you enter your API credentials, you run the migration scripts, the data is there, right? Like. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1494.24">@24:54</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> As long as there's nothing funky about the data, you know. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1496.82">@24:56</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> So, I mean, the only thing you kind of need to do. Yeah. Is you want to map the different, right? </p> <p> They only have a company and a person type of entities. So those, those just map to existing stuff. No, no logic needed, but their relationships, you would want to map just, you know, they may call it one thing or, you know, whatever. </p> <p> <strong>ACTION ITEM: Email CRM Core maintainer re: edit access; follow up -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1513.9999"> WATCH</a></strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1521.92">@25:21</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> So there might be some more for him to do on that, on that side of things. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1524.74">@25:24</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> And then there's CRM core, which had a Drupal 7 release, but no stable Drupal 8 releases. So there's also a migration project out there for migrating CRM core to Drupal CRM. </p> <p> I'm going to reach out to the lead maintainer again to see if he'll finally grant me edit access to the project's homepage. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1554.74">@25:54</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> What are the right names for that CRM core? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1557.86">@25:57</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. And one-page CRM. Yeah, I got one. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1563.32">@26:03</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Oh, got one CRM, one-page CRM. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1566.42">@26:06</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> One of my clients was using a thing called not a bad CRM or not a horrible CRM. I don't know what it is, something like that. </p> <p> And I take a look at it. Maybe that could be done also. Steve, you mentioned it one time. I couldn't find it in the thread again that financial contributions are welcome. </p> <p> How much are you looking for and what does that get? I got to sell my client. And what does that get them? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1591.72">@26:31</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Well, I mean, I guess it's sort of like if they had requirements, we could probably build it out. Or, you know, I don't want to turn down money, but I don't have like a system set up. </p> <p> Like I don't have a 501. We don't have a financial whatever it is to hold the money. I did get not a lecture, but. </p> <p> we will. And then, uh. Yeah. A number of people in Florida told me about how we should establish a nonprofit so that it could then receive grants. </p> <p> Nonprofit for CRM? Yeah, I wasn't really listening and they didn't really win me over, but like, at least like a fiduciary, like GitHub either still does it or used to do it, like, it's legal entity that can hold your money. </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1651.78">@27:31</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. You can receive donations. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1654.04">@27:34</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> So they're a sponsor to do that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1655.6">@27:35</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> If you don't want form your own 501-3C, if we want to do our own 501-3C, the person who gives us some advice would be Father Sean from New York because that's what we give for the Drupal NYC group. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1668.7">@27:48</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And that's a good path to explore, Scott. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1672.44">@27:52</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> That's the small one that would be under like $50,000 a year. Correct. Yeah, you only have to file a Form 900 in every year. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1680.52">@28:00</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, Steve, want to hear, Scott, you're barking up the right tree there on the direction and who to talk to and that kind of thing. </p> <p> Steve, want to hear more about your thoughts on, you said it didn't really win you over, but it sounds like you're still chewing on some things there. </p> <p> Well, it's a lot of work. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1701.7">@28:21</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> There's a little bit of work to it, true. I don't know if CRM is a request to do more work, go out and get grants. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1711.66">@28:31</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, that's fair too, because was thinking about that for a member platform, and CRM could be a project that was its own special part of the member platform consortium or whatever we called it. </p> <p> So I was thinking about that as a thing, but yeah, we're currently still at the kind of organization. development stage. </p> <p> Ultimately, there's a lot of opportunity opened up by creating that kind of an entity. And it helps the people involved from a legal and a risk mitigation standpoint, as well as the financial responsibility, right, fiduciary. </p> <p> So I think there's a lot of benefit to it. It's just a matter of finding when the right, it's when in the process, when at the right time. </p> <p> There are also a couple provisions. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1781.3">@29:41</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So no officer of the nonprofit can get PPA directly from the nonprofit. Right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1788.4">@29:48</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. There's a lot of stuff to cycle on that, Scott. You're absolutely right. I think it's a worthwhile conversation. </p> <p> I don't know if I don't know if we want to dig into it today on this, because we don't really have a, I would say, a quorum. </p> <p> awesome. Bye. Bye. Absolutely 100% fair. The bigger picture I would draw to is that member platform is, as an overall area on CRM, and particularly one of the most valuable parts of it right now, is a place where there is an opportunity for corporate investment behind the projects. </p> <p> So I think that initially staying under the normal caps for income on that is not difficult, but I can foresee it ramping up, in my opinion. </p> <p> I'm an eternal optimist, so I'll show you that also. But I do think there's a lot of opportunity around this that at some point, and I think we'll know when that point is, but it's a good conversation to have on the back burner to pull up when... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1980.0">@33:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Is that a core group of us do 90% of the work? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=1985.2">@33:05</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> It's true a lot of volunteer organizations, too. So one of the things that, yes, a core group does a lot of the work, but, you know, I probably don't need to do this, but for the benefit of anybody that watches the recording that might benefit from it. </p> <p> So, you know, let's take, for example, Knights of Columbus, right, which I know I mentioned before, right? You know, we do a fish fry every year, and so the core group of people certainly does 90% of the work, but when it comes to the event itself, you need more people, right? </p> <p> And it's the same thing for a project like this, where, yes, you're going to have that core group of people, but you can't get across 100%. </p> <p> You can't get to 100% without the other people, right? So, you know, it's fair. to call out that there's a core group of people that will want to develop and cultivate, but it takes everyone, the whole team, to be involved. </p> <p> So, you know, that's my two cents on it, if it's worth anything. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2055.54">@34:15</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> A few years back, ran a kayaking event in Little Bay, and luckily my friend showed up to help. It was like four people to run an event that you were leading at least 12. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2067.12">@34:27</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2067.56">@34:27</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And I stood the entire time in, depending on the tide, up to my knees in water, getting people in and out of kayaks, and I finally got like a wet, cold slice of pizza. </p> <p> That's what I had to bring out to me, because there's no one else to stand, and when I had to take a bio break, I had to wait into deeper water. </p> <p> I understand. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2092.62">@34:52</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I get what you're saying. You know, yeah, that's one of the greatest things about the Drupal community, is we can have people drawn. </p> <p> Sorry, what you going to say, Steve? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2100.0">@35:00</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Oh, I was just saying the other migration we're working on is RedHen. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2104.24">@35:04</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Ah, okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2105.88">@35:05</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> That's the other native Drupal CRM that has any traction. Not much, but... All right, we're in the migration phase of the project. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2118.56">@35:18</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, and you know what, migration is what's going to get people, you know, using the tools, right? So that's okay, that's great. </p> <p> You know, the other thought would be then CIVI CRM because it's kind of native. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2132.62">@35:32</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> That I'd be happy to work on to get the hell out of CIVI. CIVI is great. The trouble is people use CIVI. </p> <p> They misunderstood that the CRM is not contact of customer, it's constituents. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2148.74">@35:48</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Right. Yeah, well, I thought it was Cadillac, actually, but, you know, that's... But yeah, no, it's, that's a fair point, Scott, and good call out there. </p> <p> point. a point. point. That's Thank you. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2280.0">@38:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> March of 2020, and then COVID hit, and that just wiped it out. But our Drupal New York Drupal group had gone from 120 people down to maybe 10 at a meetup. </p> <p> It just dropped, dropped, and dropped. And one of the things I tried to get people involved with is can we get people to start going to high schools and colleges and get people to Drupal because it's not the cool new tool to use. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2309.82">@38:29</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Colleges, maybe. High schools, probably not. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2313.14">@38:33</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Well, if start like the juniors and seniors in a year or two, they go to college, they stay with Drupal, and that's where you plant the seeds. </p> <p> And you hit colleges, too, and you're going to get some new people, new blood from somewhere. I mean, look at Joomla. </p> <p> I ran one of the last successful Joomla Day in New Yorks. That was at Oracle, and that's when they decided to do the .5 as the release candidate. </p> <p> It screwed everything, and it went from a 20% market share to under 1% now. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2348.6">@39:08</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, well, it's more than just the release that did that, but yeah, that's some interesting thoughts there. Definitely, Scott. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2358.98">@39:18</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I was thinking about the question about a directory. I know you can have, like, a detailed method of, like, work for an address. </p> <p> We don't expose it, but those contact methods, like address, do have an entity reference back to a contact for who, quote, owns the address. </p> <p> Yeah. At the future, in order to facilitate migration from CIVI-CRM, we will have to support shared addresses. It's not like the schema already exists to do that. </p> <p> That's why we point back to the contact. So I could see creating an organization and then creating an address for each one of your offices, or if it's just people in Florida, because there is no physical office, it's just regional. </p> <p> That would also, well, I don't exactly know how you would put the address, now that I'm thinking about it, if it's a county, but I'm sure you're resourceful. </p> <p> I'm sure you'll figure it out. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2440.76">@40:40</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So, yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2442.1">@40:42</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> No, I think you bring up an interesting area, and I hadn't given it, I was going to say much thought, but I'd have to be honest, I haven't given that part any thought. </p> <p> What I'm hearing, though, is kind of, you know, if your address is an entity... So basically, there's a need to identify an ownership of that, and it can be an individual, it can be a contact, it can be a company, and that ownership defines how that is managed. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2476.54">@41:16</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> If you look at how we handle access control on those contact methods, it's based off of that contact field. </p> <p> So if you can view that contact, then you can view the method. So you can view the address or the email, you can edit it, same thing. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2495.58">@41:35</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> But what I like so far, unless I'm wrong on how it's working, is CRM, it's just basically the citation, name, basic information of the contact. </p> <p> And then any data in the system related to that contact should be readable through add-ons to CRM. So you can see sales, you can see emails, you can see uploads information, or whatever it </p> <p> It is, but it's not, no way in shape or habit is a membership management. And membership platform is one step above that. </p> <p> It's plug-ins to CRM to get the information about the members of the group and what they are and what they can and can't do. </p> <p> But again, it has nothing to do with the Drupal user itself unless you make a connection to them. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2544.89">@42:24</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> And that's what I'm worried about the CRM. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2550.3">@42:30</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> It wasn't wrong. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2552.12">@42:32</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> No, mean, like, if you wanted to add individual access controls to fields, I mean, it's just like you would do in any other Drupal system, right? </p> <p> Hook entity field access or hook something field access. I know there's a hook and an access in there. Right. </p> <p> The other thing we're working on is contact access grants. If you're familiar with node access grants. It's the same concept, but with a different database table and one additional grant. </p> <p> We have view label, as well as view update and delete, right? View labels, part of Drupal core, it's just not part of node in terms of access. </p> <p> So we have working code where you can configure relationships to provide access. So, right, it assumes you have to have a user mapped to that contact, and then that user would be given access based off of what's configured. </p> <p> So you could have a parent be able to edit a child. You could have the CEO be able to view and edit the company or the organization. </p> <p> You could also have them in the CEO context or, I guess, really any other context. That's, you can, you can, so there's contact. </p> <p> So There's A and contact B, but there's also contact C, which is some relationship of contact B. So you could have the CEO of organization B view all the employees' contact Cs. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2658.95">@44:18</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So let's say, in an instance, what I'm building is going to have a separate directory system that lists companies. </p> <p> And I want the CRM to tell me, separate from that, whether or not someone claimed that directory profile and if they updated it. </p> <p> That should be long-winded to the directory module, not in the CRM module. The CRM module is almost 100% transparent from the public. </p> <p> It's only for the people running the website. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2689.43">@44:49</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I mean, ultimately, who can see what, I guess, will come down to access. And so I don't, you know, know to a certain extent. </p> <p> I can see. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2760.53">@46:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And map it to whatever you want in CRM, or should you build that into each individual module you're build out there? </p> <p> Let's say you do one for uploading files, you know, into or whatever you do, the member profile. The trouble is, if we build into CRM to see everything that's out there, that makes CRM far more powerful without having to add a lot to CRM. </p> <p> So you go into CRM, you create a content and say, what entity should I link to this contact? And you find all the entities on your system, and let's map these to that, and choose to be one-way or two-way, and boom, that solves the problem. </p> <p> That means no matter what module ever gets built, CRM can see it and use it, link to it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2808.95">@46:48</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I think if that's done, that might be better done in a different project. I know that Salesforce uses dynamic entity reference, and that seems... </p> <p> Sort of how I think something like that might be implemented, and there are a number of, back when I was using or looking at that module, there were a number of issues, both from a schema perspective, a performance perspective, as well as certain versions could only be hosted on certain, like the cloud hosting providers, like the major releases would only work on certain ones. </p> <p> It's a whole, like, . </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2850.11">@47:30</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, that's a fair call-out, too. I like the, I like both perspectives. What I hear as a potential carve-out is, you know, maybe it doesn't fit into CRM core, but maybe it's either a CRM additional module or even a member platform module to marry that, to kind of be the nexus or the gateway into other elements. </p> <p> within the Drupal system, right, within the platform itself, is what I'm hearing as a felt need from Scott's side. </p> <p> Scott, correct me if I'm articulating that in a way that's too unclear. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2890.77">@48:10</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> No, to me, that's the most logical way because when it's researching this. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2894.95">@48:14</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> So that feels like that's a member platform module or a CRM add-on module, right? Either way, I think ecosystem-wise, it makes sense. </p> <p> It depends on where that ends up going. But I think you're right. I think there's a call-out, there's a definite carve-out for that, that that makes sense. </p> <p> just, yeah, that's not a small amount of work, especially given what Steve was calling out as some of the things we've seen with that type of work before and how that's been approached by other projects. </p> <p> Sorry, go ahead, Scott. I didn't mean to cut you off. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2927.13">@48:47</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I'm searching it, and I'm still kind of new to doing this because I'm more of an integrator in figuring out systems at work. </p> <p> Yeah. And so it said that if you build a module and you want to connect that to CRM... You have to build into a YAML file to look for the CRM file, CRM, and get them and pull information in. </p> <p> So you have to be aware of what you're connecting to. And that means everyone has to do that. And if a module comes out, it came out a year ago, unless they update it to be aware of the CRM, they will never see it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2960.55">@49:20</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, you're talking about like an integration nexus kind of area that, yeah, I think there's, especially because of the way that we're approaching member platform as a whole, that it's my fairly strong opinion, that something like that makes sense. </p> <p> I think it's a very early point for it, but I think something like that makes sense. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2977.89">@49:37</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So it doesn't have to be a member platform to connect to CRM. It's the other way around. But Steve, you don't want to put that into core, correct? </p> <p> I don't think so, just because I'm really sensitive about dependencies. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=2990.33">@49:50</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, you like didn't want to add the image module as a dependency for like a long time. I, yeah, I'm still kind. </p> <p> I know, iffy on that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3005.43">@50:05</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> But as an add-on to CRM, that would be a good thing, but you want to keep CRM nice and clean and basic. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3012.07">@50:12</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, just like there's so many things you can do, but like being able to just have the test maintainable and clean, you got to integrate. </p> <p> You got to have priorities. And it's already complex enough with the, you know, with the contacts and relationships and the one to end, the end to end, all of that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3036.95">@50:36</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> It's already complex enough to add in all those, like you're being smart about protecting that core set of project there, Steve, in my opinion. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3045.39">@50:45</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> You don't want to have how PHP got started, his personal homepage, so his mother doesn't bother him to update a website every day. </p> <p> And it just added and added and added and added and added, and now they made up a different acronym for OPE. </p> <p> But yeah, it started out because the mother bugged him every week to add new pictures to the website. Give her a little form, type this form in, it'll rebuild the page for you. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3070.63">@51:10</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I've never been curious enough to know what the history on that was, so that's an interesting... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3078.23">@51:18</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Units got started because people were frustrated playing Space Wars, where they had to take turns shooting each other between the Klingons and the Enterprise. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3087.83">@51:27</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> No, they got upset because they didn't want to have to keep rebuilding the OS to play their video game. </p> <p> No, this was before video. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3098.25">@51:38</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> This was back when you had teletype machines. Yeah, I'm just saying they got tired of rebuilding. They kept having to rebuild the OS to play that game. </p> <p> Yeah. They're like, hmm. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3111.15">@51:51</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Well, and that's the impetus for a lot of different great projects, right? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3115.45">@51:55</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> That I have a problem. I want to solve it. And oh, look, it solves this other problem too. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3120.47">@52:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Let's fix this problem. Let's add this feature. Let's do this. Good, good. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3127.67">@52:07</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I feel like we've covered what we need to cover for a member platform. I took some notes. I'm sorry. </p> <p> Oops. I took some random notes, and I can't edit that out because it's already out there. No one will listen. </p> <p> Some day, some AI will go through and listen to this. If you guys have anything to add to the notes, feel free. </p> <p> What I want to do is crystallize the action items and then go into our work session. So for action items, I have a track leads updates. </p> <p> So the way I want to articulate that, I'm just going to, I might refactor it, but track leads need to drive updates set meeting. </p> <p> <strong>ACTION ITEM: Confirm CiviCRM 6+ uses Drupal users/db; test migration path -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3236.9999"> WATCH</a></strong> </p> <p> People in the community that are willing to work on those. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3247.51">@54:07</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Also, looking into the CIVI and how long you've been dealing with CIVIs, now they finally realized having two databases is stupid, and now it puts into the Drupal database to solve some problems, and I believe, and I've got to confirm this, instead of having a separate CIVI users table, now just use the Drupal users table. </p> <p> Which makes it a little easier to pull everything in. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3275.05">@54:35</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> You're saying there was a change with the way the CIVI integrates with Drupal? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3279.15">@54:39</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. it used to use its own tables. It had its own deep database. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3283.51">@54:43</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Whole database, yeah. It used users. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3285.71">@54:45</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3286.95">@54:46</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And that always caused problems when my client was upgrading their system. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3292.17">@54:52</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Now, if I understand this on CIVI 6.X and above, it's now into one database. into into one one time. </p> <p> After D8, it's all into one database now instead of two, or D10. D9 is one thing. They made the change into one database. </p> <p> So you got to go, once they get it working properly, they'll go check it out and see if that's the case. </p> <p> But that may make Ration easier. But really, what they need to replace SIVI is the ability to track when you last called somebody and how much they gave in. </p> <p> So those are things they need, and that would be an add-on to CRM. How do they currently call people? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3338.69">@55:38</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Like software, like physical phones? Like, is that? Is that tracked some way? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3343.59">@55:43</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I don't, they may have plug-ins for it. I don't know how they call or email. They do email blasts. </p> <p> They actually have a pretty good blasting system that accounts bounces and so forth. And opens. Okay. That's one thing they have, which I got to put that together for things I'm doing. </p> <p> But it's not using their own SMTP. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3366.65">@56:06</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> It's using some sort of external service for that, right? I would guess. And it helps to do that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3374.27">@56:14</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> It becomes a nightmare if you want to use Outlook as your SMTP server because you either go to Outlook and Siv at the same time and exchange keys to each other. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3386.61">@56:26</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3388.11">@56:28</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So that becomes a whole different set of problems that Sivy covers, but it's not in there. And they're pretty good with analytics and so forth. </p> <p> But, you know, it's designed to find out, are you going to go vote for me? Are you going give me a donation for my campaign or my charity or, you know, money to the CRM nonprofit? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3415.69">@56:55</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> That's what we do with all the camp data. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3419.13">@56:59</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. With all the camp contacts, we will solicit them for, now it's coming together, now we should, now we know what we can do once we form a non-profit. </p> <p> No, we won't do that, but. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3433.21">@57:13</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So, Sylvia CRM, as a company, their annual sales is like $100,000, $120,000 a year, so they're not very big. </p> <p> You know, and they suffer from, from people who told me there's horrible code. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3449.05">@57:29</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> It's not good. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3452.13">@57:32</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And they said the Smarty templates, which they use, which is not a bad idea, but they use that, it's universal, and they designed it so, Sylvia thinks it has its way to detect your extensions, what they call extensions, and it looks through everything in your system. </p> <p> So if it thinks it's an extension, it gives you also warning messages that these aren't working properly. Even if you're disabled extensions, it complains that you have one in your system that's not enabled. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3482.27">@58:02</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. I mean, I wanted to crystallize part of what you seemed to be identifying earlier is that there's a bunch of useful functionality within CiviCRM that users of that software will find indispensable, right? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3500.47">@58:20</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And I think that's a fair call out. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3504.71">@58:24</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And I think what that means, ultimately, what's historically worked well in those cases are either a champion within the company that will work within the Drupal ecosystem to create those things, or a champion within the community that will work to create those things that are of value to that segment of the community. </p> <p> So that's my thoughts on what you said. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3529.49">@58:49</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So the downside is that while they have an e-commerce platform, not really e-commerce, a donation platform, it's... You know, off-X, when it used to be just off-X. </p> <p> Yeah. Yes, Adam. That's exactly what I did. I'm like, ah! </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3612.41">@1:00:12</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Oh, boy. And so I have about 12 sites that have SIVI on them. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3617.49">@1:00:17</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> All identical-ish. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3620.47">@1:00:20</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> What features in SIVI are they using? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3623.83">@1:00:23</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Essentially, they're using members. The members can belong to an organization. And they choose email blasts. And the email blast, you can select what group you want to send out to, which we want to call campaign, whatever you want to call it, and sends it out, sends out the blast. </p> <p> You can choose the SMTP server to use of your choice. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3645.75">@1:00:45</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> If you were to &ndash; I'm sorry to &ndash; I want you to continue, Scott, but I would also offer the terms I would use there would be sending a campaign to a particular segment would be the terms that I would use. </p> <p> Okay. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3658.77">@1:00:58</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Send me campaign songs. And they bounce, it gets recorded, and they unsubscribe. So that's mostly what they're using. The second thing they're using is to pay dues for unions, which is a travesty. </p> <p> mean, like, you know, they have a mess where they change the rules if they're late or not to signal things. </p> <p> Rather, they're rules. Whoever built the system didn't know what they were doing. They were guessing. And so you have all that, and that's probably what they're using. </p> <p> And now he wants a customer to use Civi Prospect, which is used to try and get new people to donate. </p> <p> And he wants to use it as a sales prospecting, which doesn't really work well. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3703.15">@1:01:43</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Doesn't really work well in that circumstance because of the way their data is architected or doesn't work well from the platform itself. </p> <p> You're trying to get a camera and smash it into what you want. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3713.77">@1:01:53</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Now, back in my Joomla days, there's a coder named Gary Moore, genius-level coder. I mean, he'd be on the phone, be on a meeting, and building modules as he talked and execute it. </p> <p> And he used to use the Smarty templates in Joomla to build anything he wanted. But the trouble to him is the answer to everything was Smarty templates. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3740.01">@1:02:20</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3741.73">@1:02:21</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. The trouble to a hammer is everything looks like a nail, right? So the good advantage is I have a Civi CRM from 7.5.62 I can preserve to a modern one that we use as a base to test the migration. </p> <p> I would love to get off Civi because I don't want have two different, it's like WordPress and BuddyPress, you know, or even WordPress and Elementor. </p> <p> You have a page builder within a system that's supposed to build pages, know, a CMS within a CMS. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3779.35">@1:02:59</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3781.67">@1:03:01</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Right. Yeah, hear what you're saying. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3784.51">@1:03:04</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Yeah. Steve, if you want to add anything here, I just wanted to, what I was listening for was an opportunity to identify the CVCR migration within what you were saying, but there's a couple of problems with that. </p> <p> One is, it sounds like it's just your bandwidth we're talking about, and that's a limitation. And then it sounds like those may be less than ideal migration cases, or at least a little bit too far of a gap, but I'm not the expert Steve is, so. </p> <p> I'm agree with you. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3817.49">@1:03:37</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3818.95">@1:03:38</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> So, yeah. Anyway. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3820.45">@1:03:40</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I think we can migrate the data, but I don't think we'll be able to do anything useful with it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3825.07">@1:03:45</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3825.47">@1:03:45</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Just being real about it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think there's a lot more gap as far as functionality, as far as if there were a viable replacement for CVCRM with the tool set for Drupal. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3900.01">@1:05:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Didn't Event Platform get bought out, the guy who wrote it? They hired him, they bought his company by Acquia? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3909.33">@1:05:09</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> If they did, it was like eight years ago. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3912.75">@1:05:12</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, it was years ago. I don't know. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3916.81">@1:05:16</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I know he's been with Acquia for more than eight years. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3921.25">@1:05:21</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, but he's not a maintainer anymore, is he? I believe he is. It was Elijah, I'm getting his name, Goldstein. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3934.93">@1:05:34</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> No, Elijah is... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3936.03">@1:05:36</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Martin Anderson, or Martin Flutes. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3940.47">@1:05:40</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Martin, okay. Event Platform's like... </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3946.45">@1:05:46</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> It's got a theme called Event Horizon. It's mostly a theme. Nice name. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3957.65">@1:05:57</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> All right. right. All All All Um, it, yeah. I have thoughts that I'm not willing to share in this forum right now. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3971.85">@1:06:11</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> I have similar thoughts. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3975.13">@1:06:15</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I've used a precursor one time when we're trying to do a Drupal cam, and it had its issues. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=3984.05">@1:06:24</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, it's, you know, that's going to be the case no matter what, right? But I think that what's probably a call out here is, um, understanding if there's anyone, if there's adoption, um, it's, it's going to stir, if, if there's a corporate alignment to it with Acquia, and there's adoption picking up right now from Drupal camps, then the, the key question is why, um, you know, what is it offering? </p> <p> Because I, I see. Event platform concepts is largely in line with what member platform, some elements, some use cases within member platform do, right? </p> <p> So I think there's synergy there, and certainly if anyone in the future does, the one or two people that watch this in the future, does have any ties into event platform, please share with us in the chat. </p> <p> And, you know, because I think that's an interesting place to explore what could be done. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4052.91">@1:07:32</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> It's the only Contrib project or documented Contrib project that uses access policy. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4061.87">@1:07:41</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Now, I know what you're thinking. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4063.71">@1:07:43</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> What's that? No, Steve, I wasn't thinking that until you mentioned it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4069.93">@1:07:49</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So if you have ever used the groups module before, it does stuff in terms of access. Right. And I don't know, like a handful of years ago. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4080.01">@1:08:00</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Some people at a camp were like, you know what? That functionality should be like spun off and brought into core. </p> <p> And so then that happened. And then nothing happened for a really long time. Groups4.x is intending to implement that instead of their, you know, own version, but it's still not stable. </p> <p> So it's set up so that they can do certain stuff before the end of the submission date, right? But they can still edit their own or something. </p> <p> I don't know. Access policy. It's kind of interesting. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4125.21">@1:08:45</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> just pulled up the project. Yeah, I'm looking at it. It's in core. Access policy. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4129.99">@1:08:49</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> The contrib project is not the same thing. Thank you for telling me that. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4135.77">@1:08:55</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Okay. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4137.71">@1:08:57</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is not straightforward. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4147.19">@1:09:07</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Well, I mean, we've seen that with other projects as well, you know, where there's just, it's when there's, I think, yeah, and the other difficulty where I was thinking about when you were talking is that, you know, access policy isn't , right? </p> <p> It's one of those things that we have to do what we have to do for our use case, and, you know, a lot of cases, that's like, okay, F everybody else, you know? </p> <p> So I think it's a quagmire. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4185.13">@1:09:45</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So access policy, that gives each group a different set of ACL? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4190.29">@1:09:50</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Um, that's the, that's the short version in Droops 4, they're eating, uh... They're using the core implementation, but all previous versions to that, what they did is take the part out of groups that does that and bring it into core. </p> <p> And in substance, what it does is it gives context to your permissions or scope to your permissions. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4222.07">@1:10:22</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Okay. And it's cacheable. Because that's kind of something you need, and what I was discussing before, you know, you want to be able to have in a company, which is an entity, the top person has permission to everything under, and your role might be company owner, but you can only control what's under you, not anyone else in this company. </p> <p> That could be one way to do it. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4250.27">@1:10:50</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> If you pull up the page, the Drupal API's Access Policy API page on drupal.org, the last paragraph has a great explanation around </p> <p> On what you were just talking about, scope and applies, and I'm not going to repeat it on here, but it's a great coverage for what you were just saying, Stephen, and exactly your question, Arias, Scott. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4273.17">@1:11:13</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So Google Groups Access Policy? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4277.89">@1:11:17</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I can put the link in chat, and I think this is what you're talking about, Steve. It's that one. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4286.49">@1:11:26</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> See, you know, when I teach Drupal, I tell them it's a gateway to learning. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4293.79">@1:11:33</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> It is. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4294.77">@1:11:34</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> It is, definitely. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4295.97">@1:11:35</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Because at the end of the day, you learn so much more stuff. Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4301.19">@1:11:41</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> And that's nothing that kills my day. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4303.11">@1:11:43</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I've got to learn this. What is this? This is interesting. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4306.37">@1:11:46</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, but it feels like I can read under the writing here what you were saying, Steve, in, you know, the way that it's worded, because it's, yeah. </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4380.01">@1:13:00</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Triggers, but remember one time rules, you can actually ban people by time of day. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4389.27">@1:13:09</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Right. Have you looked at ECA? At what? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4395.31">@1:13:15</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> ECA. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4396.39">@1:13:16</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> ECA? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4397.45">@1:13:17</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4398.51">@1:13:18</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> What is ECA? If you're looking at where rules is going, it's event condition action is what it stands for. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4407.23">@1:13:27</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> It's the newer evolution of where rules is happening in newer versions of Drupal. Event condition action? Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4418.39">@1:13:38</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Okay. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4420.11">@1:13:40</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Acquia put a lot of energy into it. What's that? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4424.45">@1:13:44</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Acquia put a lot of time and energy into ECA. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4427.63">@1:13:47</a> - <strong>steven.ayers</strong> </p> <p> Yes. an initiative or something and some sort of WYSIWYG builder, basically. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4435.95">@1:13:55</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, it's, it's, yeah. And there's a lot more beyond that, too. Within corporate, there's a bunch of stuff tied into how ECA has evolved and where it's tying into communities. </p> <p> So I think if I were to guess, rules will end up fading out, and ECA is kind of the future path, if I had to guess. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4470.33">@1:14:30</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> How do you keep covering these things, from the weekly drop or from the camps or some other means? I'm not sure I understand the question. </p> <p> Where did you learn about ECA? How did you get informed about that? </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4484.95">@1:14:44</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> I was researching. I needed to do some rules stuff, and I saw that there were some lack of updates on some rules stuff that I thought, that doesn't make any sense. </p> <p> I know someone that did something along this line, and then I... I found ECA through that research. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4504.27">@1:15:04</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> So, sendipity. Yeah, very much so. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4508.39">@1:15:08</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4511.05">@1:15:11</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> That's how I find out most of my stuff. It is, yeah. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4515.55">@1:15:15</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Yeah, there's so much out there. There's a lot out there. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4521.55">@1:15:21</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> And the ADHD, at end of your day, you 40 windows open. It's all closing up because you're going to for sleep. </p> <p> Oh, yeah, that's why I started at noon. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4531.49">@1:15:31</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> One tab is my friend for years. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4536.13">@1:15:36</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> It was a good meeting. Do you know One Tab? More people involved. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4541.93">@1:15:41</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> People involved what? I'm sorry that more people are not in on this call. Maybe it'll be interesting enough. We're over time and we got into kind of the, I guess, the exploration on the co-working session. </p> <p> But maybe it'll be interesting to people. I hope that some of the content. The we went through here is interesting. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4562.25">@1:16:02</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> It definitely was. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4565.05">@1:16:05</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> All right. I don't know how to stop the recording, so I would stop the recording and continue working with you guys for another 15 minutes or so, but I don't know how to stop it. </p> <p> So I'm just going to offer that I'm available if you guys need it, and we're going to wrap up the call unless you guys have anything else you want to cover. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4585.63">@1:16:25</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> I'm good. All right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4588.97">@1:16:28</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Great. Have a good week. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4590.75">@1:16:30</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> you very much. All right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4591.83">@1:16:31</a> - <strong>aj-audio</strong> </p> <p> Appreciate your time. All right. </p> <p> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/dUCxh-CJsPfDxJw3zTxozrN6RzoAwd2c?timestamp=4593.47">@1:16:33</a> - <strong>Scott Wolpow</strong> </p> <p> Bye. Bye. Bye. </p>