Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting on October 9, 2025 (#3549065) · Issues · project / member

Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting on October 9, 2025

>>> [!note] Migrated issue   Reported by: [jdleonard](https://www.drupal.org/user/80902) >>> <h2>Google Doc</h2> You might find the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Tw9t7Irb7CAFAkpOIFXEmlmn5gRwX1QDOXjktyt-1A/edit?tab=t.0">Google Doc</a> for this meeting (from which the notes are copied) to be easier to consume and to include additional detail (e.g. comments) not present in this issue. If this meeting hasn't happened yet, find and add to the agenda in that doc anytime before the meeting. <h2>Member Platform Meeting</h2> October 9, 2025 at 10:00am CDT <h3>Meeting Notifications, Agendas, Past Notes, Slack Channel</h3> See <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/member/issues/3505938">[Meta] Member Platform meetings</a> <h3>Who is here?</h3> Include your Drupal.org username in parentheses if you have one. <ul> <li>Erica Stevenson (speckles)</li> <li>Bob Snodgrass (bsnodgrass)</li> <li>Bhavin Joshi (beautifulmind)</li> <li>Luke McCormick (cellear)</li> <li>Janice Chow (janiceychow)</li> <li>Lee Walker (mr_scumbag)</li> <li>Eric Wheeler (sikofitt)</li> </ul> <h3>What Topics Should We Discuss? / Limited Human Notes</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Tu3VWBpFPqfcJAQ4m1AqipsfBa2SFFco&usp=drive_fs">Recording</a></li> <li>Quick introductions</li> <li>Discussion on what CRM Events might look like</li> <ul> <li>Overlap with the <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/event_platform">Events Platform</a> </li> <ul> <li>Event Platform Initiative and Meetings Next meeting is likely Oct 27th per #event-platform channel in Drupal Slack <a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C08914FGYHJ/p1760019682028859">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C08914FGYHJ/p1760019682028859</a> </li> <li>(Screenshots taken from <a href="https://youtu.be/4X-yRDqCee4">Your Camp Website Here! What’s New and Exciting with Drupal’s Event Platform</a></li> <li>Event Horizon Theme </li> <ul> <li> <img src="https://www.drupal.org/files/issues/2025-10-10/image1.png" width="" alt="alt_text" title="image_tooltip"> </li> <li> <img src="https://www.drupal.org/files/issues/2025-10-10/image2.png" width="" alt="alt_text" title="image_tooltip"> </li> <li> <img src="https://www.drupal.org/files/issues/2025-10-10/image3.png" width="" alt="alt_text" title="image_tooltip"> </li> </ul> <li>Should we be aiming for the generic use case, or just figuring out our MVP</li> <li>Important Differences between Projects</li> <ul> <li>Sessions are associated with Drupal Users, not Contacts. </li> <li>End Date vs Duration</li> <li>Events as Terms</li> <ul> <li> <img src="https://www.drupal.org/files/issues/2025-10-10/image4.png" width="" alt="alt_text" title="image_tooltip"> </li> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <ul> <li>What does Member Platform need from a hypothetical CRM Events for its MVP?</li> <ul> <li>Should we aim to use the same events states as Sessions in Event Platform? Aka Draft, Proposed, Accepted, Waitlisted, Rejected, Confirmed, Declined </li> <ul> <li>We need to define what each of these states denotes.</li> </ul> </ul> </ul> <h3>Action Items</h3> <ul> <li>Mockups for how we do Event in Member platform</li> </ul> <h2>Fathom AI Summary</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU">VIEW RECORDING - 63 mins (No highlights)</a> <h3>Meeting Purpose</h3> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=661.0">Discuss event functionality for the Member Platform project and provide general project updates.</a> <h3>Key Takeaways</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1274.0">The group agreed to develop a lightweight CRM events module separate from the existing Event Platform initially</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3625.0">There is a need to clearly define the relationship between users, contacts, and events in the system</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2663.0">Progress has been made on mockups and functional specifications, but no code has been implemented yet</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3159.0">Participants expressed a desire to start creating code stubs to move the project forward</a></li> </ul> <h3>Topics</h3> <h4>Event Functionality for Member Platform</h4> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=661.0">The group discussed how to approach event functionality for the Member Platform project. They reached a consensus to develop a lightweight CRM events module separate from the existing Event Platform. Key features of this module would include:</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1351.0">Connection to CRM contacts rather than Drupal users</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2080.0">Inclusion of start date, end date, and a duration field</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2438.0">Adoption of event states from CRM (such as draft, proposed, accepted, etc.)</a></li> </ul> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2427.0">Future considerations for the events module include:</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1480.0">Potential integration with the Event Platform</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2438.0">Handling of concurrent events</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3312.0">Persistence of event history for members</a></li> </ul> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1274.0">The group emphasized the importance of keeping the initial implementation lightweight while considering future scalability and integration needs.</a> <h4>Project Status and Next Steps</h4> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2663.0">Participants discussed the current status of the Member Platform project:</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2769.0">Mockups and functional specifications have been developed and are stored in a shared Google Drive</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2833.0">No code has been implemented yet in the Drupal project space</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3159.0">There is a desire among participants to start creating code stubs, even if they are just comments initially</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3260.0">The group recognized the need to finalize the event specification before moving to the implementation phase</a></li> </ul> <h4>User/Contact Relationship</h4> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3625.0">An ongoing discussion about separating Drupal users from CRM contacts was highlighted:</a> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1604.0">This separation would allow for greater flexibility in the system</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3625.0">It would enable scenarios such as blocked users still being able to view the site but not register for events</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=1406.0">The model would support use cases like family members managing accounts for others</a></li> </ul> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3625.0">The group acknowledged that this is a complex issue that requires further discussion and careful design.</a> <h4>Integration with Event Platform</h4> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3530.0">Two primary use cases were identified for the Member Platform in relation to events:</a> <ol> <li>Member Platform integrated with the full Event Platform</li> <li>Member Platform standalone with light event functionality</li> </ol> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3530.0">The group discussed the need to design APIs that would allow for easy substitution of the Event Platform, ensuring flexibility for different deployment scenarios.</a> <h3>Next Steps</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2589.0">Create a detailed specification for the lightweight CRM events module</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2769.0">Review existing mockups and functional specifications in the shared Google Drive</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3159.0">Begin adding code stubs to the Drupal project space to start structuring the project</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=3625.0">Continue the discussion on the user/contact relationship model to reach a consensus</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2589.0">Schedule a follow-up meeting or asynchronous review once the event specification is drafted</a></li> </ul> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?tab=summary&timestamp=2589.0">The meeting concluded with participants agreeing on these next steps and expressing enthusiasm for moving the project forward.</a> <h3>Action Items</h3> <ul> <li>Create mock-up spec for lightweight CRM events module; include start/end dates, duration field, states (draft, proposed, accepted, etc.); focus on CRM contact integration - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2236.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> </ul> <h2>Fathom AI Transcript</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU">VIEW RECORDING - 63 mins (No highlights)</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=134.06">@2:14</a> - estevenson Hello. How's everyone doing today? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=165.36">@2:45</a> - Janice Good, how are you? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=170.64">@2:50</a> - estevenson Good, how are you? I am doing good. I'm feeling a little bit awkward because while I was asked to lead the meeting, I just discovered I don't have permissions to share screen. Um, so I've dropped kind of a link to the, um, oh, kind of like agenda, um, inside the chat if people wanted to reference that. Um, but yes, so just sort of going through, um, oh, pretty much if everyone wanted to add their Drupal org username and, or kind of like who you are and you're sort of, Drupal names so that we can kind of give credits for everyone who's here. Um, so does everyone want to give kind of a quick introduction? I know I'm, yeah, like I am Erica. Um, I've been coming to a few of these. I'm relatively new to Drupal, but like, you know, kind of JD posted, he's just coming off of surgery. So he is sort of asked me to try to leave. How about everyone else? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=251.82">@4:11</a> - Luke McCormick I can go. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=253.3">@4:13</a> - Janice I'm Janice, and I'm in New York. So very nice to see everyone again. And yeah, I mean, are we actually waiting for more people today? I mean, probably. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=271.56">@4:31</a> - estevenson You know, kind of like, we probably make sense to wait for five minutes. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=281.7">@4:41</a> - Luke McCormick I was hoping to have a few minutes before having to talk. I can't. No, no rush. I'll jump in here. I was, I'm in California. My name is Luke Sellier on various things. Thanks. Thanks. I'm in California, where it's 8am, so I was, you know, just starting things, grabbing coffee and trying to get combobulated. I've been working in various senses with the Member Platform Project for a while. I was one of the organizers of Bad Camp, which was last week, so I kind of dropped out for a few months. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=323.62">@5:23</a> - estevenson haven't been around for the most part. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=326.24">@5:26</a> - Luke McCormick Every so often I would swoop in and just kind of check out things. But actually, I've been more banned with now, so I sort of am hoping to get back in the swing of things and start helping out. But for the most part, I'm trying to catch up. I've noticed when I've looked in that there seem to be some interface concepts floating around. I know the integration with CRM. I know the Is proceeding in that same degree where most of the focus is? But again, I'm mostly here with like willingness to do things, but I haven't done much recently. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=372.86">@6:12</a> - estevenson Yeah. No, same boat. Like I said, I'm pretty new. To some extent, I got involved because, yes, I've been struggling with unemployment, and I just wanted the ability to work on something. So, you know, kind of like, and I know previously I'd been able to just sort of like, I didn't get involved with the Drupal community, but I did use Drupal for a project way back when, and it's a fairly approachable community. So that was sort of like how I got involved. So I've been involved inside some of the discussions, but I am fairly new to everything myself. Yes, I see we've got a few other people. I'm just going to post the link again. One thing I discovered. Remember that despite hosting the meeting is that I don't have share permissions for the Zoom meeting. So people are going to have to click on the, yes, the document for the agenda themselves and take a look over it. So yeah, right now we were just doing introductions. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=453.14">@7:33</a> - Bob Snodgrass And for introductions, I can go next if you'd like. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=456.52">@7:36</a> - estevenson That'd be amazing. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=459.12">@7:39</a> - Bob Snodgrass I'm Bob Snodgrass. I'm in St. Charles, Illinois, near Chicago, about 40 miles west. So in home of the next DrupalCon, which is going to be fun, be a good time. Chicago's a place, great place to come. So I hope everybody can make it. And I've been involved. with the membership platform for a while. I'm always with short bandwidth, it seems like, but I'm glad to pitch in where I can. I happen to be in the same neighborhood as Stephen Ayers, who's the gentleman who's doing the CRM. So we're about an hour and 15 minutes, maybe less, away from each other. So hopefully we'll getting together with him at some point. And I've been playing around with the CRM and playing around with some things in Drupal CMS to kind of prototype some ideas that I've got, but I haven't really got anything ready to show anybody yet. So, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=531.0">@8:51</a> - estevenson No, no. Who's next? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=533.12">@8:53</a> - Bob Snodgrass Who needs to go? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=538.86">@8:58</a> - estevenson Bhavin? I don't know if I'm pronouncing your name right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=544.681">@9:04</a> - Bhavin Joshi Yeah, so hi everyone. My name is Bhavin Joshi. I've been working with Joshi Consensus Services for quite a while. I've been working with the world for more than 20 years and a member platform draws my attention because a lot of organizations that we support have requirements for members platform, similar to the members platform. And for some organizations, we've built some custom solution as well. And since member platform offers all those features out of the box, we are very interested in building this like every other platform. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=586.961">@9:46</a> - estevenson Sorry, one moment. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=595.681">@9:55</a> - Luke McCormick Do we know if any of us are going to be at DrupalCon Vienna? Coming up? Yeah, me neither. So sad. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=608.761">@10:08</a> - Bob Snodgrass I'd love to go. Yeah, no, I'm not going to make it because I'm still new to Drupal, but I can see there's one inside southwestern Ontario that I'm thinking of going to. Yeah, that would be a good one. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=624.101">@10:24</a> - Bhavin Joshi I'll be to Chicago next year, so if anyone's coming, we'll start to leave it. Okay, good. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=631.261">@10:31</a> - Bob Snodgrass I will certainly be in Chicago. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=635.361">@10:35</a> - Luke McCormick I'm on the marketing committee for DrupalCon Chicago, so I'm involved in pieces like that. I have a session submitted, you know, we'll see if that makes it in. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=645.181">@10:45</a> - Bhavin Joshi Yes, I do have a session. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=648.421">@10:48</a> - estevenson Okay. So, I mean, right now we're almost 10 minutes in, so I'm going to make the assumption that, you know, kind of, if anyone else joins, that, you know, kind of, We'll just take a break for it. So the specific thing that I thought we could talk about for this meeting was kind of the concept of how we want to do events, that we've done a whole lot in, like sort of comment, there's been a whole lot of how do we do members and membership relationships, but events have been left a little bit inside the air. Um, this also overlaps a little bit with event platform, um, in that, you know, kind of, they have sessions and those are like events and, you know, kind of, I know I'm on team that, um, yes, we should try to do our own sort of take on it. Just because from what I can see for event platform, it's very much tied to the functionality. Um, and, you know, kind of like inside the same way that we've adopted CRM in order to sort of, um, you know, try to abstract the concepts. Of membership. And we're going to have to sort of like integrate whatever we do with CRM anyway, that maybe we want to do our own MVP kind of events, as opposed to trying to sort of like, yeah. Either way, yeah, kind of like some of that is this discussion. And then, yeah, sort of like, what do, how do people think events should be handled in terms of CRM? Just a second, I'm going to go to the notes. I was hoping to be able to sort of reference them, but I can't share screen. So kind of the big advantage of trying to integrate with the event platform directly is the fact that they already have theming and like living products. So that part is very cool. And anything that as we deviate from that. Like, we're going to have to sort of try to integrate that back. Sort of the important differences that I wrote down are, yeah, sessions are associated with Drupal users, not contacts. So no matter what, we're going to have to do kind of like a lot of integration. Also, a lot of the work so far has been with the concept of having an end date. While they don't really have that, they have duration, which makes sense for their workflow, because sessions are submitted, you know, kind of you are given, like, I'm going to talk about Internet of Things in Drupal for an hour. And then kind of end date is figured out after the fact, which is different that we do that. And also just a lot of sort of specific functionality, like how they have events as terms for a taxonomy thing, which I felt a little under equipped to review just because I am new to Drupal. So, But I think that this would make kind of direct integration difficult, and we should be trying to think of our own CRM events. What are other people's take on this? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=855.021">@14:15</a> - Luke McCormick I think that's pretty interesting. mean, one of the obvious things that, to me, is kind of an ongoing challenge is our relationship to the other two projects, to, you know, CRM, you know, very explicitly, and to events platform as, you know, another obvious entity in the same space. So, so either we have to figure out, or perhaps I just have to understand better, where we sit in relation to those, like, I'm trying to put together the, the, the Venn diagram in my head with like, Yeah, no, and to some, to some extent, <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=900.001">@15:00</a> - estevenson Like, yes, I sort of got told to try to pick something that I think needed a little bit more nailing down. It's trying to figure out that sort of Venn diagram. I know having kind of reviewed it, I think that we want to do our own MVP, you know, CRM events. But yeah, this is to have the discussion about kind of what other people think and how they'd approach it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=925.541">@15:25</a> - Luke McCormick Yeah. I mean, if we think about, you know, potential users for member platform, all of those users will be using CRM because CRM is built into it. And so there's the set of users where CRM, without member platform, just CRM on its own satisfies what they're looking to do. And then there's our sort of core users who are using our kind of extended version of CRM to add. And then we have to figure out how that comes in to intersect with the event platform. know, I would see, for example, I'm thinking some percentage of member platforms users would use event platform. To handle the, you know, specific events happening. Let's take, for example, you know, DrupalCon, right? You would see, you know, DrupalCon Chicago being hosted on an instance of event platform. But the Drupal Association being hosted on member platform. Mm-hmm. Because, because they're... There's things that, you know, before DrupalConChicago and after DrupalConChicago, there's still, you know, the people that are involved are still members of the thing. So, I think that's our slice, right? Like the, you know, people that get together to do something. I threw in, you know, DrupalAssociation because it's something that we're familiar with and can sink your teeth into it. I think that is probably too big. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1059.6">@17:39</a> - estevenson Pretty much, you know, kind of trying to do a direct association that, one, they've done a whole lot of implementation in order to have kind of the snazzy drag and drop and all that, which sort of, yes, there's a trade-off that that makes it less sort of flexible. In exchange for having kind of a more ready product in order to But that then makes trying to sort of... Who's a they in your sentence? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1085.54">@18:05</a> - Luke McCormick Who has a drag and drop? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1087.7">@18:07</a> - estevenson Oh, that forum event platform. Yes, for scheduling. You know, like, I just sort of watched their sort of event platform video as someone who's relatively new at Drupal. So if I'm saying some stuff that seems a little bit off, it probably is. But yes, they had some... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1107.48">@18:27</a> - Luke McCormick No, no, it seems unfamiliar to me. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1109.5">@18:29</a> - Bob Snodgrass Do you have a... No, this is... I want to go look at that. That's absolutely the case. The way Martin's got it set up is that when sessions are selected through whatever process they're doing for that, and that's kind of up to the camp how they do that, then at that point when they go to slot the sessions in, they have time slots that they can drag and drop these sessions in into. Which is real sweet. Which We're going to be using event platform for mid-camp in Chicago in May. So DrupalCon's in March and our mid-camp is in May in Chicago and we'll be using the event platform for that. That'll be the first time we'll be using it. But in my perspective, the kind of thing that I'm considering is that I think the member platform for events primarily is focused, at this point anyway, on the meet-up type user group meetings that people are holding right now. And so I'm kind of looking at it from the standpoint of a very lightweight event, kind of like you have in Drupal CRM. Maybe our Drupal CMS may be a little bit punched up, you know, to make it work well for our member platform. Because the thing that's different there would be that you're going to want to have people sign up and register for an event. So we'll have to have that connection with users and or contacts. And you're going to want to be able to contact those people that are set up for that event in a kind of an easy way to be able to communicate with them with emails or whatever kind of communication functionality we'll have. So that's kind of the way I'm looking at it anyway. Martin is also one of the maintainers for the event section within Drupal CMS. So I'm kind of thinking that... Some of the same functionality that's there is probably crossing over a little bit with the event platform, but I haven't looked at the details there or talked to Martin about that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1272.48">@21:12</a> - estevenson Mm-hmm. That, yeah, that, know, kind of, there is a whole lot of functionality and kind of additional capacity that's inside event platform that I think would be difficult to, yeah, you'd be trying to abstract something that's a far stronger engine than what we need right now. And so I'm of the opinion that, yes, we do sort of a relatively lightweight CMS events sort of module. And then, you know, kind of as both platforms sort of evolve, then maybe kind of we hit a point where we then try to merge the two, but trying to go off sort of like the get-go, because, yeah, it just, it has a lot of stuff that member platform doesn't need. And then their implementation of. It involves a lot of dependencies, sort of like taxonomy views, smart date, or sort of two I was able to sort of like go over, even though yes, I am new to sort of Drupal. So, yeah, it was a little bit difficult for me to review, but having something lightweight that, know, purposely kind of designed to be minimal functionality so that as event platform kind of evolves and maybe sort of abstracts events out its own way, it's easier to sort of merge. And then, yeah, kind of no matter what we do, the fact that we have kind of the concept of contacts and, you know, kind of from CRM's point of view, it's going to want kind of an integration where, yeah, kind of contacts are associated with events, not users. Because, yeah, that as per kind of you look inside that, there was a huge discussion that trying to make it so that contacts and users were interchangeable as opposed to users. So yeah, never have to worry about someone changing a contact's email, and then that's out of sync of kind of the user, or then the user changes their email, and then you're trying to do something, you're trying to give something multiple functionalities when, yeah, kind of for meetup.com, like you have a login. And then that's a little bit different than your membership, particularly, because yes, mean, JD really wants it the ability for people to be able to sign up other people. So you maybe have people who are not very website savvy, but like their son sets up an account, and he's able to kind of do both people. Like that, that's just something JD really wanted, from what I can sort of see. So yeah, which is a, which is a different kind of concept than what we've had in Drupal, really. So we got to figure out how to <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1440.0">@24:00</a> - Bob Snodgrass How to do that kind of thing. I agree with him on that, by the way. So you want to have the ability for someone to, you know, okay, this person's a member of the group and we want to have them in there. But at the same time, the group or the meeting or the, or the member platform, right. But you want to be able to have them have that capability of not having to log into it because it might be, you know, a minor. It might be a senior person who doesn't have access to computers and that type of thing. So, you know, those, those are challenges, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1478.4">@24:38</a> - estevenson Those have always been challenges. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1480.12">@24:40</a> - Bob Snodgrass The other, the other thing that I've, that just on the member platform versus the event platform that I, I would like to see us strive for is the ability to have them coexist together because I can certainly see some smaller associations. I'll give you one. As an example, have elderabuseprevention.info is a state of Maine organization that has member organizations from multiple agencies that deal with elder abuse and preventing, you know, prevention and support for people at risk. And they have multiple organizations. They also have, you know, a twice a year roundtable in person thing that they get together with. And I could see that where an event platform might be really good for something like that, even though they've only got about 100 people that attend this thing at any point in time. So, you know, those are some kind of segue things that I think we ought to look at. Those are some edge cases that could very easily. Fit into this kind of multiple-level platform installation. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1569.4">@26:09</a> - Luke McCormick I wanted to throw in, since I mentioned the Drupal Association as one sort of use case, and I wanted to bring up another one to set the poles so that we can understand the space between them. The case that JD has repeatedly mentioned since the beginning is of an HOA, of a homeowners association. And you can see right away that that would be, could definitely benefit from a system like we're building to manage the members. But that also immediately brings home the case of you're not going to get everybody in your neighborhood HOA to sign on to a particular website. Like you would absolutely have people. People that need to be tracked and managed somehow with it, who aren't going to log in themselves, which I think pretty clearly suggests that membership should not be tied to Drupal users. It needs to independently live somehow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1642.0">@27:22</a> - estevenson Yeah, that, you know, kind of, it feels a little bit weird to separate the two, but then you just, it's just so much easier with separations of concern. And, yeah, that, I mean, I imagine if you did sort of want a merged capability, like I had the concept that maybe you could have, like, a participant object that could refer to either a contact or a Drupal user. Like, right now, I think for our initial use case, because that's introducing a whole can of worms, that for the hypothetical CMS events, that that only supports some kind of contacts signing up for events. Yes, because it, it, it, it, it, is, um... Yes, it, it, it, it, Yeah, it is CMS events. Oh, CRM events, sorry. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1686.68">@28:06</a> - Bob Snodgrass Should we have Lee introduce himself to everybody? Yes. Since he came on, if he's available. He's probably getting a cup of coffee. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1696.5">@28:16</a> - estevenson No worries. No, no, I'm here. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1699.82">@28:19</a> - Lee Walker But when I came on, you were busy talking, Bob, and I know better than to interrupt you. Oh, yeah, right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1708.48">@28:28</a> - Luke McCormick So we're suffering, we're making do, rather, at the moment with the Zoom meeting that we've inherited here. None of us can share. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1721.62">@28:41</a> - Bob Snodgrass So we would be sharing if we could, but we He's taking notes, and we probably won't even get those unless JD sends them to us. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1730.96">@28:50</a> - Lee Walker Which you will, JD's very good about that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1733.34">@28:53</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1736.8">@28:56</a> - Lee Walker Yeah, hi, I'm Lee Walker. I'm... I'm... I'm a Drupal developer of not far off 20 years now. Time flies. Sorry? Time flies. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1750.1">@29:10</a> - Bob Snodgrass Time flies, yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1752.88">@29:12</a> - Lee Walker We are currently super busy because with the government shutdown, it sort of messed a lot of things up and we're trying to help out a lot of the state's attorneys general because all their sites went offline. They're all in Drupal. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1768.96">@29:28</a> - estevenson Oh my God. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1770.58">@29:30</a> - Lee Walker So we're trying to, they fired, everyone that's working on it as a contract got fired because the agency that funds it is no longer being funded. So they've basically been disbanded. They were all on a massive Azure thing and that got turned off. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1786.08">@29:46</a> - Bob Snodgrass This is the state of Tennessee? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1792.3">@29:52</a> - Lee Walker About 35 different states. So it's attorneys general all around. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1795.9">@29:55</a> - Bob Snodgrass Oh my God. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1797.12">@29:57</a> - Lee Walker Oh my goodness. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1797.8">@29:57</a> - Bob Snodgrass Of course, all the people are looking out for us. Yeah, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1800.98">@30:00</a> - Lee Walker They're basically, a big part of that is the whistleblower sites. They're all down. my God. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1806.0">@30:06</a> - Luke McCormick Like, oh, really? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1806.7">@30:06</a> - Lee Walker They shut those down. That is interesting. But a lot of the people there are, they don't know how to get contracts with the government and things. But I know Bo, and Bo works on it, and he got offered, and I know Eric, and he does it, and then a couple of other people. So we're like, we should do that. So we're talking, we've sent out emails to a lot of them saying, hey, the original team's still here. They're partnering with me because I can do federal contracts, because I've been doing them for 15 years now. And they're going to need more Drupal guys to help out. So there's work in it for me as well. So we're trying to say, do you want your site back up? And do you want it maintained from now on? And instead of a single entity. Sounds like a good play to me. Each individual one is going to have to come up with a budget and a contract, right? So it could be a pain in their butt. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1857.24">@30:57</a> - Luke McCormick Yeah, but that actually sounds like, I can't believe... All the states, that many state sites were dependent on like a separate entity that was at risk. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1869.66">@31:09</a> - Lee Walker Technically, they're still funded through Congress. Congress gave them the money that went, something called Cigney or something it was called, and it basically just disbanded Cigney in its entirety, the Trump administration did, which has the effect of just cancelling it all, right? Then the company that had the contract with the Drupal developers, they'd just fired all the Drupal developers, like within an hour. So yeah, a couple of those guys are going to come and effectively, I'll use it in air quotes, work for me. They're going to be contractors for me. We're going to try and pull that up, and hopefully we can make them all make more money than they did before. But yeah, it's been jumping through a number of hoops, and we're still going through that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1912.52">@31:52</a> - Bob Snodgrass Good luck with that. I hope you're successful. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1915.5">@31:55</a> - Lee Walker It's like, whenever there is turmoil... There are opportunities to fix that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1923.42">@32:03</a> - Bob Snodgrass That's exactly right. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1924.92">@32:04</a> - Lee Walker So, yeah. And I was like, you guys want to do it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1927.88">@32:07</a> - Bob Snodgrass Tricky place at the right time, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1929.14">@32:09</a> - Lee Walker Yeah. And we're like, if you guys want to run your own LLC and have equal ownership and set it all up and go and get sam.gov working for you and go and get, you're more than welcome. But I've already got all that set up if you want to come with me. And it sounds like you need someone as well to do some of the work. So, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1944.24">@32:24</a> - Bob Snodgrass And it's just like Eric and Bob. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1945.66">@32:25</a> - Lee Walker We know, I've known them for years and years and years. So we're all good. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1950.0">@32:30</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. Sounds like a really good place. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1952.42">@32:32</a> - estevenson No, I mean, that to me sort of makes me think of another use case for kind of this product. It's just, it seems like stuff, yeah, kind of like sudden government shifts, kind of like TikTok getting bought by them, you know, kind of. little bit iffy about Facebook that maybe the ability to just sort of independently, people just independently set up their own systems is going to be more important going forward. I think it will be. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1977.78">@32:57</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=1980.0">@33:00</a> - Lee Walker I mean, I mean, a couple of those guys, I think, need FedRAMP hosting, but some of them don't. So we're going to find out the ones that don't, do them first and worry about FedRAMP after, I think. But anyway, I'm interested because I'll be interested in running my, like, Drupal user group and a few other things through it. And I also do a bunch of stuff with the Boy Scouts. So my local council, I'm wondering, what can we use for the local Boy Scout council? Will that work? Because their council website is absolutely crap. As per usual, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, can we set one up and, you know, make that work? That's kind of where I am on that. Like, my local meetup group, because that's an easy thing to get running initially. And we don't have a site for it. We just use meetup.com, and I hate meetup.com as well. So that's where we are on that. I'm interested in seeing local meetup groups and maybe my local Boy Scouts. And turning it into something that every council can use as an open source thing at some point. Maybe. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2047.9">@34:07</a> - estevenson But, yeah, so just returning to the discussion, we were just sort of going over the overlap between sort of the events platform and how kind of whether, like, I mean, it sounded like most people kind of agreed that coming up with our own lightweight CRM events, that, you know, kind of we maybe try to keep lightweight because, yeah, there's a decent chance later on there's going to be a desire to sort of, well, mean, definitely at least have the two work in concert. You know, I don't know how much we'd sort of merge them. But, yes, no, and then sort of like what, if we are kind of doing a CRM event, sort of what functionality should that have? You know, kind of like, yeah, but, I mean, presumably it can connect to CRM and just sort of like. Have relationships to contacts and then events might have an end date, a start date. know just looking at just sort of the event platforms, maybe like one concept that hasn't come up is maybe we do want to include a duration just because they're sort of thing where you propose the event and you state how long it is. And then, you know, kind of you figure out a start time thing for it that if we did want to allow that having it to sort of our product calculate duration just by default so that you could do stuff like, well, I'm just thinking inside Google Calendar where you can have kind event, I can put it on this calendar, I can drag it up and down and it'll remember kind of its duration. So automatically calculate the end date. Like, I don't think we actually want to implement it. But yeah, maybe like adding a duration field to it just so that it's available. If people are using it for that might be smart. But that's, that's the only kind of big observation I could think of. And connect to CRM contacts and maybe include a duration, even if, you know, kind of membership platform isn't using that. What are some other thoughts people have on it? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2193.94">@36:33</a> - Bob Snodgrass I've already kind of put in my two cents worth. I think I don't have anything new. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2204.32">@36:44</a> - estevenson Yes, no, this would be easier if we could have kind of a shared screen and we should be kind of going over it. It's difficult more as at the abstract. Oh, you go ahead. So right now, I'm more of a sidelined watcher than a driver of it. ACTION ITEM: Create mock-up spec for lightweight CRM events module; include start/end dates, duration field, states (draft, proposed, accepted, etc.); focus on CRM contact integration -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2236.9999"> WATCH</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2238.46">@37:18</a> - Lee Walker I'm interested to see where it goes and to see if I can help on any pieces. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2247.5">@37:27</a> - estevenson But yeah, like, I would be happy to try to, I don't know, rough out ideas. I know I've sat down with JD to do that a few times. But yeah, kind of like, this is the point for people to kind of vote, like, it definitely should have this, it definitely should not have that. It sounds like people are sort of willing to let, you know, kind of have a duocracy where whoever kind of comes up with, you know, sort of like a spec can just go ahead and do that. And then we make. Maybe critique it once the spaghetti's on the wall to see what sticks. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2285.8">@38:05</a> - Lee Walker I'm a big fan of that style of work. Me too. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2289.52">@38:09</a> - estevenson Let's prototype it and see what we got, right? Okay. So, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2293.66">@38:13</a> - Bob Snodgrass But I think that the general gist of a lightweight event content type that can be connected to contacts that are going to attend an event. Mm-hmm. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2309.0">@38:29</a> - estevenson I mean, that's really kind of that simple. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2312.48">@38:32</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. And if we can use what's already in Drupal CMS or what's already in the event platform as a piece of that, I think that's a plus. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2324.0">@38:44</a> - estevenson Mm-hmm. But, yeah. Like, I think maybe we focus on the lightweight aspect first. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no. And then just because, I mean, it sounds like event platform also has plans to sort of start abstracting out some of its stuff. And yeah, having something lightweight will probably make it easier to do kind of a sort of merge or kind of refactoring later. Yeah. So, yeah, I might ask JD if we can just kind of sit down, do the kind of lightweight, just sort of like mock-up spec, and then maybe instead of future meeting, we go over it and people can kind of, or maybe just a Slack message that I know when we did kind of membership relationships that ended up being kind of people reading it over and going, yep, that's good. Right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2383.02">@39:43</a> - Bob Snodgrass Right. Exactly. But it's also not like we don't know the event platform guys, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2387.68">@39:47</a> - estevenson That's right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2388.92">@39:48</a> - Bob Snodgrass Martin is a message away. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2393.32">@39:53</a> - Lee Walker Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2393.86">@39:53</a> - Bob Snodgrass No, no. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2394.5">@39:54</a> - estevenson There is a lot of overlap and hence what, you know, kind of having a discussion about, yeah. Our own lightweight thing, or should we be trying to kind of go from the get-go? But yeah, our own lightweight thing will, I think that'll ultimately be easier. And it's just a matter of don't do the kitchen sink with it right from the get-go. Right. Is there anything else, anyone else have kind of a thing that they wanted to go over? Well, mean, like, I know the one thing that I had inside the agenda that I think is just sort of like, we can just all agree on it, is for, like, I watched kind of the CRM. And kind of, yes, that they had certain kind of event states, which were draft, proposed, accepted, waitlisted, rejected. Confirmed, declined, that in terms of our kind of lightweight things, I'd say we should have similar states. Like I, even though, yeah, like I know waitlisted is not a concept that I think exists inside, you know, kind of event membership platform. That, you know, if people want to have concurrent events, we're not, yeah, we're not trying to do that extra level of functionality quite yet that event platform has. Um, yeah. Just a sec. Okay. So, dude, yeah, kind of any objections to us just sort of adopting the same event states? Okay. Okay. Thank <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2521.47">@42:01</a> - Bhavin Joshi Well, if there are more people involved in creating and improving the events, then we will certainly need those status. Otherwise, if there is only one single user or the person or administrator handling the event creation, then I believe it is only three, like Confirm or whatever, all the other states you mentioned. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2542.43">@42:22</a> - estevenson Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'd say we just include similar ones, even if we're not using them all, just for the sake of potential future compatibility. Though, yes, just because I'm still not familiar with the guts of Drupal, I'm a little bit worried about making assumptions. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2566.75">@42:46</a> - Bhavin Joshi Well, we can still add extra states later on, and we can define those states, how it will affect the workflow. Mm-hmm. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2589.76">@43:09</a> - estevenson Yeah, so no, mean, it sounds like we're all kind of inside agreement about, you know, kind of what the next steps are, kind of the next deliverable would be just sort of some mock-up notes the same way we did with memberships. Um, and then, yeah, kind of like either escalate that into another kind of like meetup like this, or possibly just have it be like people just asynchronously on Slack. Um, so, yeah, I will, I know I can kind of try to rough up something like inside the same vein that we've done other stuff. Um, and so that then there's something to discuss as opposed to just sort of the general sort of, you know, again, so much easier when you can share a document and people can go over it collaboratively. Okay, so yes, anything else anyone wants to discuss? Because it sounds like that's been concluded. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2663.87">@44:23</a> - Luke McCormick I mean, kind of on a different topic, usually, but sort of like the same topics. Usually in past meetings, we've gone over sort of the latest developments, the latest issues that are present. And, you know, since, as I mentioned near the beginning of the call, I've been kind of out of the loop for the last, like, two months or so. I'm hoping to hear... So what's in the loop? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2702.47">@45:02</a> - estevenson Okay, so kind of, again, I'm going to be stuck to sort of like dropping a link inside the document. Just give me one moment to try to sort of navigate to it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2716.41">@45:16</a> - Luke McCormick Well, I mean, dude, just verbally, what are the recent hot issues that we've been focused on? Like, just casually, I thought I saw that there were some wireframes for an interface. Was that a thing? Did I see that? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2737.84">@45:37</a> - Bob Snodgrass there are. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2738.91">@45:38</a> - estevenson so kind of we have, I think this is the document that we're referring to, where that had some linked sort of like, yeah, like if you look at it, we've got a navigation sort of PNG. Right. That, of just sort of like, what, yeah, kind of, yes, we had a lot of effort to just. Just go through some imagination about how stuff might look and just, again, spaghetti at the wall, which, you know, kind of, if you look at sort of stuff. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2769.91">@46:09</a> - Bob Snodgrass Those are in, those mock-ups are actually in the Google Drive for member platform, not the Google Drive, the folder anyway, and there's a mock-ups folder. And some of them have a name of what they are, and some of them, I'm sorry, first drafts, and then there's a mock-up notes in there. And the first drafts, some of them have a name of what they are. All of them do now, so they're not just images. So you can, and they should be cross-referenced to the document about mock-up notes in the member platform mock-ups. Holder. Where? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2824.43">@47:04</a> - Luke McCormick You did not know. Can you give me a link? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2827.47">@47:07</a> - Bob Snodgrass Where do I find that? Yeah, I'm going to give you a link here. Hold on one second. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2833.51">@47:13</a> - Luke McCormick Also interesting, I just went over to the Drupal project for member platform, which last time I checked it, had no code at all because we hadn't done that. I just went over now and I just posted the link into the chat. There's code there. It looks like it's a copy of CRM. Is it a fork of CRM sitting in our source Not me. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2862.65">@47:42</a> - Bob Snodgrass I don't know. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2863.89">@47:43</a> - Luke McCormick I'm not sure. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2869.97">@47:49</a> - estevenson To my knowledge, we're still kind of inside the stage of trying to think about what we want it to be, as opposed to trying to get into <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2881.97">@48:01</a> - Bob Snodgrass I think that that's correct. And, you know, I know JD and Stephen Ayers have been working on the CRM thing. And maybe that's got something to do with that, or maybe it's tied to it somehow. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2896.43">@48:16</a> - Luke McCormick It looks like a copy of CRM. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2900.25">@48:20</a> - Bob Snodgrass CRM is the only place there is code right now. So, all right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2906.69">@48:26</a> - Luke McCormick I guess I'll answer that because it strikes me that sort of the first deliverable that I would expect to see is, I mean, eventually we're going to ship a product, right? We're going to have, you know, downloadable code that people can run member platform. And sometime before we have, you know, finished distributable source code, there will be a spec for, you know, there'll be, you know, there's a time between. Nothing. And finished product where we have, okay, here's what we're building, right? And it feels to me like we've made more than zero progress towards that, but I can't find that. I'm looking for like, okay, where's that evolving spec? So I can help evolve it. So I can like, yeah, it's all in the, in the member platform drive right now, I think. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2967.35">@49:27</a> - Bob Snodgrass And there are references to some of these documents from some of the issues, but I don't know how closely they're tied right now. Okay, cool. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2978.17">@49:38</a> - Luke McCormick Well, that member platform drive is, is handy. So I will, I mean, I, I, I was involved. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2988.25">@49:48</a> - Bob Snodgrass It's a lot to dig through is the problem right now, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2991.43">@49:51</a> - Luke McCormick Oh, that's okay. I, will talk caught back up again, it's hard. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2995.31">@49:55</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=2996.39">@49:56</a> - Luke McCormick No, no, for, for Erica, for, for your sort of. A few months ago, I came in and demanded all sorts of stuff, like, we really need to have this, this, and, you know, made a big list of things that we should need, and then contributed nothing towards doing any of that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3012.75">@50:12</a> - Bob Snodgrass I just asked for it. Yeah, thanks for that, Luke. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3020.41">@50:20</a> - Luke McCormick But it seems, and I've done this before. do what we can. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3023.37">@50:23</a> - Bob Snodgrass We're like, we're like, we're like, of that stuff, actually, maybe independent of me, you know, you know, maybe just quits dentally, the kinds of things I asked for, appeared, maybe, maybe, maybe I had some effect there. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3036.67">@50:36</a> - Luke McCormick But, but I want to, I've got like a, it probably won't last long, but I've got, you know, since, since, because I was doing like five different things for bad camp, was completely, you know, 150% of my time was taken up by that. So, so now that I've got a little bit of availability, I, I, I feel guilty that I've let member platform languish without. Any help from me for so long. So I want to do a little stuff. I'm looking for like, okay, where's... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3065.89">@51:05</a> - Bob Snodgrass I've been in the same boat, Luke. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3068.57">@51:08</a> - estevenson So I think kind of the two big ones are, yeah, the mock-up notes and then the functional specifications. The functional specifications, if you go to the bottom, has like a whole lot of stuff is that this is stuff we'd like, but we're 100% saying not version one. Like that's been just sort of like, you know, the catch-all for grand ideas. So if you're looking for where your stuff might have gone, you know, like I wouldn't be surprised if it's there. Member Platform 1.0 Functional Specific. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3103.27">@51:43</a> - Bob Snodgrass All right. Yeah. Yep. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3104.65">@51:44</a> - Luke McCormick So I mean, do you guys know the movie 50 First Dates, where I forget what her name is. Like she forgets every day. Yeah. Drew Barrymore, I think is the one there. So like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, you know, I'm, I'm like Drew Barrymore in that, like, like JD, I'm sure is, you know, reading the transcript or watching something. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3128.97">@52:08</a> - estevenson I told you that like 20 times. How can you be asking that again? This is why you have kind of these periodic meetings is for just sort of people to go kind of like, what were we talking about? Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3142.03">@52:22</a> - Bhavin Joshi I think that the biggest hurdle in, unfortunately, is 1.0 is we are writing on some key modules like CRM, which is why we do not have a release yet. It's been quite some time since we stopped at this initiative. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3159.01">@52:39</a> - estevenson Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3159.83">@52:39</a> - Luke McCormick I don't know. I get the feeling that we're far enough along and close enough that we should start putting in stubs for our things. Like, even, even if we haven't actually built it yet, we should have, you know, Yeah. Modules, modules, they might be all comments, right? They might be like, you know, someday we'll write code that does this. Uh. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3181.23">@53:01</a> - estevenson Well, this is to some extent why talking about events, because events is kind of one of the things that we need some type of stub for in order to just sort of, it's a pretty key component in order to get started. But event seems a very large project, and I think either we should merge our efforts to event, or we should ask them to merge their efforts to this platform. Yeah, no, I mean, I think, yeah, the easiest thing is we do our own lightweight thing that just because, like, I mean, we're going to have the big ask, can you make it work with CRM contacts? And so you're asking them to do work. Yeah, well, I I see us fitting in there in two senses. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3223.89">@53:43</a> - Luke McCormick I mean, there's going to be users that are using member platform that are using events. And there's also presumably going to be users that aren't using events. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3236.49">@53:56</a> - estevenson So we have to just, there's like two major cases we have to <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3240.01">@54:00</a> - Luke McCormick We have to make sure our stuff works with events without requiring it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3247.49">@54:07</a> - Bhavin Joshi Yes, it will solve a major problem like using some different system for events only. If it can be done within the members platform, that would be great. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3260.17">@54:20</a> - Luke McCormick Okay, let's try to crystallize things a little bit. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3262.75">@54:22</a> - estevenson Yeah, so yeah, I like just my experience has been kind of like JD having kind of some one-on-ones meetings where we've just hashed stuff out just because I had availability. And so possibly doing like just a jam session, like when there's someone who can share documents, just to kind of come up with a spec. We all agree on the spec. then, yeah, it's possible that the spec, once we get the events part down, is, you know, kind of complete enough that it's time to start doing stubs. And kind of like... Yeah, getting something more concrete inside there. You know, sort of like, I don't know when the cutoff point for that would be, but, you know, I think it's a little bit duocracy. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3312.77">@55:12</a> - Luke McCormick Well, I can see two clear cases, and maybe this crystallizes, because I can imagine, you know, think of a case where, okay, somebody's using events platform, noticing features that are not included if you're using events. You know, things that are missing, and we can do those. can be like, okay, here's, here, and I think one of the cases that I point out with, I'll have to look into what events platforms does, but it's memory. Like, you know, the time between, you know, we're about to experience it with, you know, bring up the DrupalCon example again, since that's, you know, we're all aware of that. DrupalCon Europe is next week. DrupalCon Chicago is in March. Those are different. Like, if you were... Using events platform, those would be two different sites that kind of had nothing to do with each other. So member platform would be the thing that ties those two things together. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3370.03">@56:10</a> - estevenson Oh, yeah. No, that adds a little bit of persistence where you have kind of, you have a membership account that sort of says you've gone to this event, this event, this event. And like, maybe you could even have kind of a link to it that, oh, I remember going to this event. I'd like to rewatch the video. Like, could be super helpful. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3390.01">@56:30</a> - Luke McCormick Well, so I could see then, you know, as kind of the first out the gate, figuring out what memory is needed, what pieces you would need to tie those two things together. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3402.09">@56:42</a> - estevenson I mean, I think out of the gate, the first thing you want to do is have membership platform be a standalone product. You know, kind of like get to the sort of 1.0. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3412.49">@56:52</a> - Luke McCormick Well, I'm getting to that, but just conceptually, or imagining the case where you're tied together two event platforms. And then I actually say, well, what if you're not using event platform at all? So then you still have that middle piece. still have that chunk that ties them together. That kind of doesn't change. That's still the same use. And then the thing is, you probably want like an event platform light, right? So something that if you're not using event platform, you could use this other piece. And, you know, that's one of those things we have to decide to work on that. Because clearly for an end user, that's who's who doesn't, you know, doesn't have a lot of bandwidth, that would be a more convenient thing for somebody that's like running an HOA or something that doesn't need a huge complex event website like that. So that's more convenient for the end user, but less convenient for us. Because for our perspective, you know, rewriting stuff that someone else has all written is a little bit of a thankless job, right? Yes, like that, that is the difficulty of deciding. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3480.01">@58:00</a> - estevenson Let's do our own lightweight standalone thing is that it's 100% as event platform kind of evolves going to involve some rewriting and kind of like, oh, we're going to have like multiple versions of this where we have to possibly kind of scrap it and, you know, kind of do something else. But yeah, like, I mean, I think it's the easiest way to move forward. And it's just a matter of, yeah, keeping in mind the scope, because we know we're going to want a more deluxe version of this later. But getting it to the point of functionality, while keeping that, you know, kind of that this isn't this doesn't have to be kind of the end all be all. So it's up and running, we've got a 1.0, and then kind of, then it also gets easier to sell it to other people, because now they can see it, as opposed to it just being inside our heads. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3530.75">@58:50</a> - Luke McCormick Well, well, I want to throw out like a specific proposal, like, like, I'm actually having babbled for a bit, like, yeah, throwing out what I think is maybe a specific proposal. That we conceptually view these things as being those two states. Like there's no state involving CRM. 100% of member platform installations will use CRM. It's built in, it's a requirement, it's definitely part of the thing. But I think we want to build in the two cases of interacting with, using event platform or not using event platform. And, you know, I would only suggest that doing the one using a event platform is a convenient MVP for us to get to because we don't have to write that stuff, right? But trying to keep the interface to event platform crisp enough so that it could be substituted out. And we'd be planning to substitute in, you know, something that addresses those APIs that we've left for, you know, connecting to event platform instead. And who knows, maybe we could fork Event Platform conceivably and, you know, get our built-in thing by stripping away features that are, you know, or. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3612.97">@1:00:12</a> - estevenson Yeah, no, no, no. Like, there's a lot of sort of, yeah, greenfield development, you know, kind of are sort of, it could be very cool seeing this go to, you know, kind of like come together. I mean, the tough thing is, is that, yeah, CRM is going to want everything to be contacts, which, you know, kind of would, would be sort of like a change on how, yeah, that, how kind of Event Platform does stuff. Like, I don't think it's like a huge one, but it's 100% a discussion. Like, do we want to have, you have to be a contact and users are just about your access to the site? Because, yeah, you could have, like, I mean, you have stuff like someone is blocked. Like, you know, kind of, should they still be able to log in, but not sign up for events? But ideally. want the person still to be able to access the site, and if they're two different things, there's like, so yeah, there's discussions to be had. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3669.61">@1:01:09</a> - Luke McCormick Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's a good issue to wrestle with, you know, what is the relationship between users and contacts? You know, I have an opinion that they should not be the same, that they should be, fact, independent somehow, but exactly what the relationship is, needs to be worked out, you're right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3689.57">@1:01:29</a> - Bhavin Joshi Yes, this was the many questions we discussed, spanning quite a few Zoom calls in the past. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3696.91">@1:01:36</a> - Luke McCormick Yeah, no, I know. What is user and what are the contacts? That's the guilt that I feel coming in after two months, like knowing that a lot of the stuff I'm going to spit out has, you know, been dealt with endlessly, and everyone's bored hearing it again. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3711.35">@1:01:51</a> - estevenson That's my constant reality, as someone who's kind of coming into this new Drupal and just sort of aware enough of design that I can talk about the design. Bye. Once we stuck on whether the context should be allowed to log in or not. Okay, so we're at time, and we probably shouldn't make this particular meeting go over time. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3733.77">@1:02:13</a> - Luke McCormick So, thank you, everybody. Yeah. No, thank you so much for coming. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3738.67">@1:02:18</a> - estevenson And, yeah, kind of, I'm glad we were able to, we've officially been able to have a meeting without JD hosting. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3744.21">@1:02:24</a> - Luke McCormick So, that's good. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3745.89">@1:02:25</a> - estevenson Oh, yeah, I did that once, twice. So, yeah, I get it. So, yes, it was, you know, kind of nice to see everyone. I think good discussions. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3755.53">@1:02:35</a> - Bhavin Joshi Bye-bye. Yeah, bye-bye. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/96tvVtUPs_stjA67CHzycmeVyxVyUdsU?timestamp=3757.35">@1:02:37</a> - estevenson Bye-bye.

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