Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting on July 3, 2025 (#3531396) · Issues · project / member

Member Platform (Zoom) Meeting on July 3, 2025

>>> [!note] Migrated issue   Reported by: [jdleonard](https://www.drupal.org/user/80902) >>> <h2>Google Doc</h2> You might find the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AR82XOWBvgXWLX_irPGpeXkwtTOvz2dtTUeYeJfL30M/edit?tab=t.0">Google Doc</a> for this meeting (from which the notes are copied) to be easier to consume and to include additional detail (e.g. comments) not present in this issue. If this meeting hasn't happened yet, find and add to the agenda in that doc anytime before the meeting. <h2>Member Platform Meeting</h2> July 3, 2025 at 10:00am CDT <h3>Meeting Notifications, Agendas, Past Notes, Slack Channel</h3> See <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/member/issues/3505938">[Meta] Member Platform meetings</a> <h3>Who is here?</h3> Include your Drupal.org username in parentheses if you have one. <ul> <li>JD Leonard (jdleonard)</li> <li>Martin Anderson-Clutz (mandclu)</li> <li>Paul McKibben (paulmckibben)</li> <li>Bob Snodgrass (bsnodgrass)</li> <li>Steve Ayers (bluegeek9)</li> <li>James Shields (lostcarpark)</li> <li>Luke McCormick (Cellear)</li> </ul> <h3>What Topics Should We Discuss? / Limited Human Notes</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gN5ViMu0qec1KfKdasuxg0z-J38JuwR1/view?usp=drive_link">Recording</a></li> <li>Quick introductions</li> <li>Working session to refine Member Platform requirements</li> <ul> <li>Worked on <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UJ9S6V6mS_82UG64VE6EcQAMoEMO90Cys7gBNKqzM3A/edit">functional spec</a></li> </ul> </ul> <h3>Action Items</h3> <ul> <li> </ul> <h2>Fathom AI Summary</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg">VIEW RECORDING - 55 mins (No highlights)</a> <h3>Meeting Purpose</h3> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=5.0">Discuss and develop functional requirements for the Member Platform project, focusing on creating an MVP.</a> <h3>Key Takeaways</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=154.0">Consensus to target Drupal 11.1+ for the Member Platform, dropping support for Drupal 10</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=190.0">Identified need for detailed membership types and structures (individual, household, organizational)</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=67.0">Discussed integration with CRM and potential migration paths from other systems</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1755.0">Explored public visibility options for memberships and member profiles</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2088.0">Considered implementation of a plugin-based system for membership duration management</a></li> </ul> <h3>Topics</h3> <h4>Drupal Version Support</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=154.0">Decision to target Drupal 11.1+ for the Member Platform</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=166.0">Dropping support for Drupal 10, considering its end-of-life in about a year</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=241.0">Aim for a stable release by March or February 2026, aligning with DrupalCon Chicago timeframe</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=154.0">Acknowledged that some Drupal user group websites are using Drupal 10 but are capable of upgrading to 11</a></li> </ul> <h4>CRM Integration and Migration</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=67.0">Discussed potential migration from various systems including CiviCRM, Meetup, MailChimp, and Google Groups</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1166.0">Considered migration plugins for different data sources, primarily CSV and Excel files</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1155.0">Initial focus on migrating basic contact information, with more complex data like emails and relationships to be addressed later</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1115.0">Acknowledged that many groups use ad hoc systems involving spreadsheets and text files</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1071.0">Discussed the possibility of migrating from open-source marketing automation tools like Mautic</a></li> </ul> <h4>Membership Types and Structures</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2277.0">Identified five main membership types:</a></li> </ul><ol> <li>Individual membership</li> <li>Household membership (all members)</li> <li>Organizational membership (all members)</li> <li>Household membership (fixed number)</li> <li>Organizational membership (fixed number)</li> </ol> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2035.0">Discussed handling of multi-contact memberships and their representation in the system</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2026.0">Explored concept of "sponsor" memberships for organizations without individual benefits</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2088.0">Considered the need for a separate entity to denote which persons belong to a membership</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2146.0">Discussed the possibility of using the authorization subsystem to provide member-only content access</a></li> <h4>Public Visibility and Profile Management</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1755.0">Considered implementing overridable base properties for public visibility of memberships</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2035.0">Discussed granular control over visibility for multi-contact memberships (e.g., household, organization)</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1757.0">Explored permission-based editing for membership information</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1757.0">Considered scenarios where any listed member could edit the membership information</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=1757.0">Discussed the need for flexibility in who can edit membership details, potentially configurable by administrators</a></li> </ul> <h4>Event Management and Attendee Experience</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2035.0">Briefly touched on readiness of CRM for event functionality</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2035.0">Noted potential complexities with capturing point-in-time information for event registrations</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2035.0">Discussed the need to consider how user profile information corresponds to event registration data</a></li> </ul> <h4>Technical Implementation Discussions</h4> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2088.0">Explored using a plugin-based system for membership duration management</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2088.0">Discussed the need for plugins to determine membership validity and expiration</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2117.0">Considered implementation of methods to check if a membership is expected to be valid on a given date</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2835.0">Discussed MkDocs integration and GitLab CI/CD pipeline configurations for documentation</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=3124.0">Explored challenges with GitLab Pages preview and deployment processes</a></li> </ul> <h3>Next Steps</h3> <ul> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2673.0">Update the membership module issue in the CRM backlog</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=397.0">Further develop the functional specification document, converting bullet points into structured content</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=3139.0">Investigate solutions for GitLab Pages preview without triggering production deployment</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=67.0">Continue work on attribute conversions for the CRM project</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=2088.0">Explore implementation of plugin-based system for membership duration management</a></li> <li><a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?tab=summary&timestamp=3172.0">Review and potentially update the approach for generating documentation previews in merge requests</a></li> </ul> <h3>Action Items</h3> <ul> <li>Update CRM backlog issue for membership module, incorporating recent discussions on data structure and plugin-based system for membership duration - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2662.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> <li>Assist James in updating CRM backlog issue for membership module, focusing on recently resolved data structure questions - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2667.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> <li>Investigate renaming GitLab CI job from "pages preview" to avoid automatic deployment, update MkDocs configuration accordingly - <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2961.9999">WATCH (5 secs)</a></li> </ul> <h2>Fathom AI Transcript</h2> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg">VIEW RECORDING - 55 mins (No highlights)</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=5.58">@0:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) All righty, I think we're good to go here. Excuse me. I have another link to the notes doc there. And let's get started. I think everybody knows each other here. Am I wrong? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=36.56">@0:36</a> - James Shields I'm still wondering who Sarah's note taker is. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=40.32">@0:40</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Ah, well, it has told us in the chat. Maybe one day we'll get Sarah to join. It was here once, I think. All right. So the only item I had for the agenda was a working session to help her. Thank Find our requirements and move that along. Does anybody have anything else they want to discuss before we dive into that? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=67.4">@1:07</a> - James Shields One small thing is I was looking at the issue about converting attributes to annotations on the CRM project. And the issue there is I've done some of the plug-in attributions. They're fine. But bulk of the attributions at the moment are entities. And their attributes for entities are only supported in Drupal 11.1 and higher. So if we were to convert those to attributes, we'd need to move. We dropped support for Drupal 10, so there's a decision to be made there. I don't know if that's something we discussed today. I've put it in the issue anyway, so people might as well post their opinions on it. That would be great. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=142.64">@2:22</a> - steven.ayers Is anyone here using Drupal 10? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=148.36">@2:28</a> - James Shields Not on any sites I'd be interested in using a member platform on. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=154.92">@2:34</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I know that some Drupal user group websites, which we would be targeting, are using Drupal 10, but I also think that they are fully capable of upgrading to 11. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=166.46">@2:46</a> - James Shields But I think LTS support for Drupal 10 does go on for another year. I would imagine a lot of the sites member platform would be targeting would be... Drupal CMS sites, which will be 11 by default. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=190.4">@3:10</a> - Paul McKibben Yeah, considering that this is a new, I mean, this would be a new installation for anybody, right? This is not somebody taking an existing Drupal 10 site and retrofitting, you know, CRM or member, you know, member platform stuff. So I think I'll challenge that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=205.08">@3:25</a> - James Shields I'll challenge that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=206.14">@3:26</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I think there would be definitely use cases for people retrofitting an existing to add member platform capabilities on top. But I'm less worried about optimizing for that use case. Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=223.64">@3:43</a> - Paul McKibben I also think by the time we get to a mature status where people might be doing that, Drupal 10 might be end of life. When is Drupal 10 end of life? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=232.52">@3:52</a> - James Shields Like another year? Another year. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=234.4">@3:54</a> - Paul McKibben Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=236.6">@3:56</a> - steven.ayers My goal is to have a stable release by the next. My me another I guess by March or February, because DrupalCon Chicago is in, like, March or April. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=247.12">@4:07</a> - Paul McKibben Yeah, March, I think. March. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=253.84">@4:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I'm in favor of all the latest and greatest. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=257.94">@4:17</a> - steven.ayers I don't think there's an issue with changing the requirements to 11.1 or higher. I mean, we're targeting, I think, 10.4 right now or higher. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=270.4">@4:30</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Is there anything in 11.2 that we need, we want? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=278.38">@4:38</a> - steven.ayers I mean, if it comes up, we can address it then, is my turn. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=283.06">@4:43</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) There was something related to attributes in 11.2, right? But it was, like, the last little bit of something. Maybe theme extension points or something, I don't know. All right. Who else has a topic, anyone? All right. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=304.64">@5:04</a> - steven.ayers I guess I have a question. If anyone's used the CRM system with the member relationship to mock out some sort of membership platform, it's okay if you haven't, and it's okay if it was a terrible experience. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=322.74">@5:22</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I have not. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=324.52">@5:24</a> - steven.ayers Somebody has the site installed. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=329.6">@5:29</a> - Bob Snodgrass While you're getting a ping, I haven't had a chance to try it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=336.9">@5:36</a> - steven.ayers Somewhere it's listed as some, but there's one install somewhere of Alpha 2. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=344.22">@5:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I mean, I installed it, maybe. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=349.54">@5:49</a> - steven.ayers Somebody ran the update, I guess, to see if there were updates, and so it reported on the site. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=356.74">@5:56</a> - James Shields I mean, I haven't run it on anything on the list. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=362.64">@6:02</a> - Bob Snodgrass I recall at one point I did have a problem doing that on a site that I was kind of putting together, but I don't think it was a, you're not talking about a Drupal 10 site, you're talking about a Drupal 11 site, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=376.44">@6:16</a> - steven.ayers I mean, I'm just saying, has anyone played around with it at all, trying to do something with membership? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=382.82">@6:22</a> - Bob Snodgrass No. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=384.92">@6:24</a> - steven.ayers Okay. Not really. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=387.62">@6:27</a> - Bob Snodgrass Okay. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=391.2">@6:31</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) All right. Well, let's move on then to work on requirements here. I don't know that I have like a very structured approach to this for today, but I thought maybe we could try to make actual progress in the functional specification doc, possibly everyone independently just starting to write some things down. And then maybe at the end, we can come back together and see what we've done. And determine some next steps. Folks would be interested in choosing a section to start scribing or, you know, typing up while we're all on the call. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=440.98">@7:20</a> - Luke McCormick I'll take a crack at some of that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=448.36">@7:28</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Not a lot of interest. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=450.0">@7:30</a> - Luke McCormick But there's no alternative, so. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=455.12">@7:35</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) All right. So let me put a link in the chat here. That is the functional specification document as it stands. The only thing I have done are add some headings. And the bits under functional requirements were contributed. By someone else. else. And it can certainly be tweaked as they need to be. And then I will put a link to our meta functional specification issue, which lists its child issues, which are kind of the sections of the actual requirements that we've got, defined in bullet points. And we could use conversion into words and detail. Does anybody want to... Choose a topic, let us all know, and then we'll choose a different topic for other people. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=516.94">@8:36</a> - Luke McCormick Would you object if I put my pet issue of defining personas into that doc there? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=524.56">@8:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Not at all. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=526.64">@8:46</a> - Luke McCormick What am I going to do then? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=532.68">@8:52</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Other options for folks to choose include when the member joins and leaves. enormity mind. is having Or a purpose turns, you. The Member Directory and Member Profiles, Event Management, Event Attendee Experience, Member Management, Outbound Emails, Access Control, although I think that kind of needs to wait probably for some of these other ones. Similarly, internationalization. Well, that could be done now. And then architecture to support future needs, which is a Pandora's box of things that we don't have to find. But what's calling to folks? Speak now to get your choice. Thank you. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=632.16">@10:32</a> - Paul McKibben Thank you. Thank you. Responsibility for it right now, though, just because I'm juggling so much and still quite deep in the weeds, but I feel like that is closest to my heart as far as, you know, user group type stuff, user group activities. So I can start that effort anyway. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=677.8">@11:17</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Sounds good. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=720.0">@12:00</a> - Martin Anderson-Clutz Thank you. So if a person has some thoughts in one of these areas, should we add some things in the Google Doc or just start talking about them here? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=752.22">@12:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Type-ity, type-ity in the Google Doc. And then if we have questions or things we need to discuss, I think we can take them as they come. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=765.08">@12:45</a> - Paul McKibben Sorry, Martin, I didn't realize we were in the same spot. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=768.68">@12:48</a> - Martin Anderson-Clutz All good? Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=900.0">@15:00</a> - Bob Snodgrass Thank I have a question point of clarification here. This is the membership portion of the CRM or just not really a connection between the two at this point. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=948.92">@15:48</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, this document covers the functional requirements, so it shouldn't need to think too much about like CRM or not CRM. It's just what do we need for member platforms? And so if we have ideas and things that come up that are likely not in scope for 1.0, it would be good to separate those out because the goal of this document is to kind of get us to MVP, getting that complete, but we can certainly collect additional ideas. I'll also add a link to the feature brainstorming doc that's got all kinds of random, unorganized notes in them, which could spark ideas. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1011.22">@16:51</a> - steven.ayers Is anyone using an existing CRM platform other than CiviCRM that they'd be interested in migrating off of theoretically in the future? I'm hearing that everybody here loves Civi CRM. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1032.62">@17:12</a> - Bob Snodgrass Are you talking about an internal, like, Drupal-specific CRM, or are you talking about an external one? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1041.3">@17:21</a> - steven.ayers Either one. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1042.92">@17:22</a> - Bob Snodgrass Okay. Because I would say the answer to that is yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1049.18">@17:29</a> - Luke McCormick I'm thinking people probably effectively use systems that aren't called CRMs as CRMs, and that would be something that you would want to migrate off of. mean, things like Meetup and MailChimp and, you know, Google Groups and things like that, you know, whole big lists of people that you're track of. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1071.72">@17:51</a> - Paul McKibben Yep, and there's also things like Modic, which is the open-source marketing automation, a lot of groups. Folks use that. I don't play with it myself. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1096.22">@18:16</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) My neighborhood association uses Xero, the accounting software, as it's de facto, well, sort of half of a CRM, and it uses MailChimp as the other half. It's not a good solution, but they're tied in together with Zapier. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1115.92">@18:35</a> - Luke McCormick I'll bet ad hoc systems involving, like, spreadsheets and text files and things like that is... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1123.68">@18:43</a> - Bob Snodgrass That's the most common. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1126.32">@18:46</a> - Luke McCormick Bigger pool than any, like, actual constructed system. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1131.62">@18:51</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yep. So, Stephen, question for you. Are you thinking along the lines of migration plug-ins for those? Just those, that kind of functionality? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1143.56">@19:03</a> - steven.ayers Yeah, my initial thought is that contacts could probably be migrated from Civi CRM as they are now, like as the code is now. Emails and phone numbers and that type of stuff, probably not. It probably still needs some, I don't know, I don't want say it's bad, it's just not finalized, I guess, in the schema, things could change. Same thing with relationships, so it's not like we could start migrating an entire Civi CRM site, but it seemed like CVS files, CSV files, CVS receipts, and Excel files would be what we would import. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1185.3">@19:45</a> - Bob Snodgrass Yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1190.28">@19:50</a> - steven.ayers I mean, I imagine there'd be other stuff, but those would be like the three biggest I would expect. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1265.12">@21:05</a> - Paul McKibben Thank you. Thank you. Hey, folks, I need to drop out of here. I apologize. I'm leaving early. I've got a client that needs me. So I will catch up with you all later. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1320.92">@22:00</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Thanks, Martin. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1321.9">@22:01</a> - Paul McKibben Yeah, they're paying the bills, I know. What a pain. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1324.62">@22:04</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Oh, sorry. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1327.02">@22:07</a> - Paul McKibben Have a good one. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1327.76">@22:07</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Thanks. Take care. So I'll challenge you all to turn the bullet points into more structured sentences and subheadings and things when you feel like you're ready. And, of course, a reminder to think about what should be in 1.0 versus what could not be. Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1418.22">@23:38</a> - steven.ayers For the event experience, do you think that CRM is far enough along for the events to start being worked on? Like the contact itself is sufficient as a thing, I guess? Thank you. Thank you. Thank <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1449.96">@24:09</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yes, I think so. But I think my asterisk in my head is thinking about what all the fields are, sort of like the profile information associated with the user and how that might correspond. to event registration because, for example, your user, sorry, your contacts, you know, information can change over time, but the event registration might need to capture a point in time for some of that. I'm just thinking out loud. don't think that actually blocks anything yet. It's just like a complicating factor. both have. Thank Thank you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1540.54">@25:40</a> - steven.ayers Not to beat a crippled horse, I guess, but I noticed there are some things here to allow people to opt in and out of public listings for their membership and whatnot. you. Would those be, like, overridable base properties? No, Steve, goddammit, we're not doing that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1575.52">@26:15</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) When you say overridable base properties, Node has sticky and promote. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1584.3">@26:24</a> - steven.ayers Right? When I brought it up, it wasn't that we have to have sticky and promote, but... Right? Wouldn't these kind of lean towards those? I don't know. Not like something that has to be decided today, just... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1612.78">@26:52</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You're looking at member directory and member profiles? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1615.4">@26:55</a> - steven.ayers Yeah. Good Lord. you. You. Thank you. Thank I mean, they don't have to be promote and sticky, but being able to choose whether or not you're listed publicly or not and have it be based, well, yeah, I guess it would be membership-based, not user-based, right? If it's a multi-contact membership, let's say it's an organization-based membership, right? You'd want whoever can, I guess, add it or who's ever responsible for that, right, in the organization would be able to decide if their organization is. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1669.66">@27:49</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) That probably sounds right. I'm thinking there could be edge cases and things with, like, there's a multi-contact membership, but each contract... TACs should get to choose their own, you know, visibility of their personal information. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1687.3">@28:07</a> - steven.ayers Yeah, that's sort of a different thing, though, I think. Like, I'm just thinking how the membership would be rendered on some page. And if it was, say, a household-based membership, it would probably say, like, the Leonard household or... I don't know if it would then show them more members, just, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1713.04">@28:33</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Maybe I got off track. Could you start over? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1722.54">@28:42</a> - steven.ayers Right, so there are different types of members. So there are different types of contacts, organization, household, person. Each membership would be targeting, each membership type would be targeting one of those three, right? It's either an individual membership, a household membership. Membership or an organization-based membership. And so, right, for individuals, for persons, that's just one person making the decision for themselves, right? Do I want to show that I'm a member and talk about how, you know, whatnot? Or do I want to hide that information from the public? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1757.48">@29:17</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) To nitpick, it could be somebody else doing that on their behalf, right? Sure. their house or. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1765.58">@29:25</a> - steven.ayers But, like, right, it's, it would still be that person in terms of what would be on the membership directory. But for household organization, I think it would be like the Leonard household or the Drupal Association, not the Drupal Association plus 3,000 people. Click here to see more, right? Or maybe it might list the number of members in that membership, like the Leonard household, 5 people. Purple Association, 30,000 people, but not who they are. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1805.44">@30:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Okay, that gets me thinking about, should there be a requirement that for a multi-contact membership, there needs to actually be a different type of contact that encapsulates the various members affected, and thus it could actually be only a single contact membership? I don't know if that made sense, but like a household, right, dictates who's in the household, so a membership for a household tells you which persons are effectively members. Same could be true of an organization, but what if it's for a subset of an organization, or if it's for, I don't know, a set of friends or something like that? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1856.78">@30:56</a> - steven.ayers That's a fixed statement. All right, you're talking about fixed members. It's not like a household membership of three people and four people is a different membership type because there are different tiers or whatnot, right? That kind of question? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1870.28">@31:10</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1871.8">@31:11</a> - steven.ayers I mean, I guess at that point, it's just a fixed membership and whatever else you select in terms of like the household or the organization is really just affecting which person you have available. But I would expect like an autocomplete or a select box for you to choose, right? If it's a maximum of five people, right, I would expect it to default to the current user who's filling it out, but they could change that if they wanted to. But, right, it would just be inputs at that point. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1911.2">@31:51</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So if a membership covers, let's say, all of the members of a household or an organization, then... At the time that membership is created, it basically creates references to each of those contacts that are members of the household or organization, or it just references the household or the organization? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1937.06">@32:17</a> - steven.ayers Yes and yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1939.22">@32:19</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It references both. Okay. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=1941.6">@32:21</a> - steven.ayers So the organization or the membership will, you know, we want to have a column on there that points to only one contact. That's basically who's paying for the membership, right? If it's free, I don't care. You count me . Charge them a dollar or something. Well, Steve, that's kind of off topic. But, right, who's ever, like, responsible for it, I guess would be a better way to put it. And then for, like, the relationship for the contacts in terms of membership, right, we were talking about that being sort of a different entity to determine that relationship. So, like, if we were to do everybody. Everybody in the household, at the time that the membership's created, it's going to check everybody and then create that sort of member entity, not membership entity, member entity, to denote which persons belong to that membership. Yeah. And then if you add or remove people from your household or organization, right, we have hooks to be able to take, you know, actions in response to creating and deleting relationships or updating them. And so you can add and remove people with. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2016.72">@33:36</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) What about a membership that is for an organization, but isn't really about that organization's people? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2026.28">@33:46</a> - steven.ayers I mean, what's the membership providing? What's the purpose of it existing? Is it just tracking who they are? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2035.46">@33:55</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Maybe it tracks benefits for the organization or something like that, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2039.4">@33:59</a> - steven.ayers Like their response. Okay, so, like, you're driving your Formula One car, or I guess you're Texas, so you're F-350, and you're going to have the local, I don't know, oil shop sponsor you when they wrap your truck for demolition derbies? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2064.14">@34:24</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Speaking to me, yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2067.78">@34:27</a> - steven.ayers Okay. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2072.56">@34:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Because we've talked about, you well, we've talked about, like, there are lots of different types of memberships, you know, they can cover a different set of things, right? They don't always end up being a benefit for a person, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2088.38">@34:48</a> - steven.ayers I mean, if I were to, you know, try to take your scenario and, like, build a solution, I would think I would maybe be looking to create a relationship type called sponsor. Thank you. Thank But maybe I'm just thinking of it. Or maybe I create a membership type called sponsor. And then just don't fill in any of the content, any of the persons who belongs to it. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2117.02">@35:17</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Sure. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2118.56">@35:18</a> - steven.ayers I'm just thinking about it. So in my mind, the reason why this member entity type is so important is that when we want to go ahead and do something like provide member-only content, we don't really want to reinvent the square wheel. So if we can plug into something existing, like the authorization subsystem, we can use your membership status as a provider to determine, to give you role and group membership abilities. If you are a tier S member, you then get some role, right? A super cool role, and then you get added to a super cool group if you want it. I don't know. All right, I guess you don't have to have groups, but right, that would let you have member-only content without, I think, too much work. Or at least that's how I'm thinking I'd want to have some columns that I could just query directly, right, for when, say, a user logs in. John, with you. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2189.78">@36:29</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I guess the person-based memberships are, like, more straightforward, right, the ones that, like, really affect a person. But if you take a – let's take a business council or a chamber of commerce or something like that, right? It's like their members are organizations, and in some cases, yes, that will mean benefits for their – duas-perationer, So when want can consider hand. Thank You know, associated people, right? But not necessarily, right? Like they can have, they can just be listed like that at the bare minimum. So if somebody is going to set up a membership for an organization in this chamber of commerce or something, when they get, when they go to create the membership, they select the organization that is becoming the member. And then you're thinking that they are necessarily prompted to choose individual people based on that selection. I understand it wouldn't be required, right? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2272.94">@37:52</a> - steven.ayers I'm talking about what your different like types could be, right? And so there's basically like five different types. Right? Individual membership, household membership where it's all members, organizational membership where it's all members, household membership where it's fixed numbers, and organizational membership where it's fixed numbers. Right? So those are like the five I can think of. And if you're trying to set something up where it's like the organization is like a sponsor and that's the membership type, then the number of like individuals, I would think you just make it fixed and like, I don't know, make it zero. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2314.22">@38:34</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. Or maybe it's all, but it just doesn't actually confer any benefits or something. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2320.86">@38:40</a> - steven.ayers Well, mean, either one would be fine. I mean, right? In order to use the authorization subsystem, you have to go in and configure what you want to do what. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2329.68">@38:49</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) It's not like it just does stuff up. I forgot how we got onto this tangent. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2340.0">@39:00</a> - steven.ayers About over... Overwritable-based properties and whether or not membership should be able. So if a membership is effectively promoted so that it can be seen publicly, right, versus not, and whether that should be an overwritable-based property. And then it was a discussion of which user, what people should be able to do that and what membership types are there. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2367.12">@39:27</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So I agree it belongs on the membership entity. And who should be able to do that? Whoever's responsible for the membership, probably, yeah. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2379.2">@39:39</a> - steven.ayers Yeah. I mean, I would assume that we would have some sort of permission-based editing, and whoever created the membership would probably be able to edit it, too. So. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2390.72">@39:50</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I mean, I think also there are probably plenty of use cases of anybody listed should be able to edit it, right? So there's, like, Eventually, there should be some way for the original person to specify who else is allowed to, or for the administrator to specify, like this membership type can be edited by anybody referenced or something like that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2419.38">@40:19</a> - steven.ayers I mean, those are probably better handled. Those questions are probably better handled once there's some existing code to play with as opposed to... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2426.7">@40:26</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I agree. Yep. Overrideable basefields, though. When you said overrideable basefield, you mean a basefield on the membership type? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2450.62">@40:50</a> - steven.ayers Entity, not type, just the entity. So, right, when you go to create a new node type, you have options of what the defaults for sticky and promote should be. outtarideable But when you actually are creating a node, you can just change those. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2465.78">@41:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I see. I misunderstood. Yes. Easy answer, I think. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2473.56">@41:13</a> - steven.ayers Let me first calculate the square root of pi. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2477.68">@41:17</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) That's right. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2491.88">@41:31</a> - steven.ayers Anyone interested in taking on the membership module issue in the CRM backlog? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2504.08">@41:44</a> - Bob Snodgrass You got a link? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2506.16">@41:46</a> - steven.ayers That would be a good one. I will grab one, yes. I think the issue probably needs to be updated because it's not, it hasn't been updated in more than a month. Somebody I think also floated the idea of using a plugin-based system for, I guess, the duration of the membership. I'm not completely sure how that would work, but it seems like a better idea than putting a bunch of extra fields on it for whether it's going to be like a lifetime membership versus fixed versus rolling and if fixed or rolling out long kind of stuff. But... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2578.62">@42:58</a> - James Shields Mm-hmm. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2580.44">@43:00</a> - steven.ayers Mm Mm I don't really know how the plug-in system would, I guess it would just be the name of the plug-in, I don't know, with a start and stop date on the entity, I don't know. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2595.28">@43:15</a> - James Shields Yeah, mean, I would imagine a plug-in that you could say, you know, you could basically ask, is this person's membership valid or has this membership expired or something along those lines and, you know, that you'd have a very simple plug-in for, lifetime membership that would just always return true and you might have other ones for, you know, a yearly membership would figure out, is the date greater than one year after the start date, that sort of thing. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2641.94">@44:01</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) You probably need the ability to say, is this membership expected to be valid on a given date? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2649.36">@44:09</a> - James Shields Yes. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2653.7">@44:13</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Absent changes to it. ACTION ITEM: Update CRM backlog issue for membership module, incorporating recent discussions on data structure and plugin-based system for membership duration -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2662.9999"> WATCH</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2673.56">@44:33</a> - James Shields I'd certainly be happy to have a go at updating the issue. ACTION ITEM: Assist James in updating CRM backlog issue for membership module, focusing on recently resolved data structure questions -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2667.9999"> WATCH</a> <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2678.96">@44:38</a> - steven.ayers I think I can help you with that, too. I think we've worked out a number of the issues we had about a month ago and how it should, at least some of the data column should be structured. I've got a meeting. I need to get to in 10 minutes, so just a heads up. Thank you. Thank you. I just noticed that RedHen made a release in May of this year. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2803.5">@46:43</a> - Bob Snodgrass Hmm. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2804.82">@46:44</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Really? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2805.86">@46:45</a> - steven.ayers I mean, it only supports Drupal 10, so... But I was surprised that there was any traffic on that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2818.08">@46:58</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. you. Oh, Steve, I had a question for you. The mkdocs stuff, I assume kind of the goal you were searching for is how do we take advantage of the Drupal template and what it already does and just sort of leverage on top of it to actually generate these in preview, you know, in an MR context. It threw me for a loop when I adjusted some things in there and it's like the syntax is invalid or maybe not, you know, or something like that for the file and I'm looking at it and I'm like, I don't know. This all seems right to me. What's that? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2888.52">@48:08</a> - steven.ayers When did you look at it last? I updated it yesterday. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2891.52">@48:11</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Oh, you did? I didn't look at it. Did you get it working? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2897.2">@48:17</a> - steven.ayers I mean, mermaid charts render, if that's what you're asking, but I didn't work on the preview part. Oh, Okay. I think the issue is the Python plugin for the mermaid charts, I put in quotes, which it doesn't like, but if you don't put it in quotes, ESLint or PHPStand tells you you put in an empty value because it starts with an exclamation point, I guess. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2923.16">@48:43</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) I don't know. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2925.38">@48:45</a> - steven.ayers I told ESLint to ignore the next line. I think one of the issues with the preview is that if you use the name, if the job has the word page is in it or it inherits. From Pages, it deploys, but if you run that job, it then will do the Pages Deploy, which goes to production. If you inherit the Pages part from the Drupal template, or rather, it's not even the Drupal template, it's GitLab, right? ACTION ITEM: Investigate renaming GitLab CI job from "pages preview" to avoid automatic deployment, update MkDocs configuration accordingly -<a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2961.9999"> WATCH</a> Like, Pages is a special job in GitLab. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2972.44">@49:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right. Okay, so maybe the solution then is to just do it a little more like Member Platform does and not have a Pages job, or disable the Pages job. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2984.7">@49:44</a> - steven.ayers Not call it Pages, I guess. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=2986.32">@49:46</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Right, right, right, right. All right. That was going to be my next stop, because I'm just like, but the thing it was complaining about, it's like, let me find what it Let it said in here. Let me find Unable to create pipeline, job pages preview config contains unknown keys, artifacts, pages, and before script. Thank you. Thank you. See, I thought I was being clever by having it need the pager's job, but not extend the pager's job. Because the pager's job basically builds the stuff, but doesn't deploy it, right? The deployment happens with later magic. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3089.62">@51:29</a> - steven.ayers I don't exactly understand how it works under the hood, but I think that that deployment stage happens if you have a job named Pages that completes. That's what I'm guessing. Like, I've tried messing around with it to get it to not deploy, but... <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3113.48">@51:53</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Well, let's see. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3116.04">@51:56</a> - steven.ayers Also, I think the issue is with Pages preview in terms of... ... ... ... It's not that it's invalid syntax so much as they're unknown keys. And I think that might have to do with the fact that the stage is deployed. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3139.1">@52:19</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Oh, that could be. I didn't see anything in the documentation about the keys differing based on stage, like with valid keys differ, but. I don't know if deploy is a real stage. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3159.14">@52:39</a> - steven.ayers It might be part of this page's magic nonsense that just sort of happens. I don't know. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3172.04">@52:52</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) So you can define whatever stages you want, but the defaults, when they're not defined, do include deploy. I don't think Deploy is specific to Pages. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3195.5">@53:15</a> - steven.ayers I mean, the other thing is, if you just make it an artifact, it may not have a link to preview it, but you can go in and browse. If you view them there. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3212.98">@53:32</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) Yeah, and I was able to navigate to something like that. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3216.2">@53:36</a> - steven.ayers It was already there. But the links in there don't work. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3220.96">@53:40</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) The links don't work. I didn't have to manually tweak the links. And I think that might have had to do with the links being generated in CRM versus in the included template or something like that. That's my guess. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3240.0">@54:00</a> - steven.ayers Well, That's I've to bounce to another meeting. Sure. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3245.24">@54:05</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) All right. How's everyone doing? We're at our time. I'm going to hang around for a bit and keep churning. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3253.98">@54:13</a> - Bob Snodgrass I've got to run out and not make money, but make invoices to make money off we've already done. That's even easier. Yeah, I know, except you've to look at all the hours first. All right, cool. Take care. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3274.12">@54:34</a> - Martin Anderson-Clutz Yeah, I've got to drop to everyone. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3277.14">@54:37</a> - Luke McCormick Thanks, Martin. <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3281.96">@54:41</a> - JD Leonard (modernbizconsulting.com) How are you doing, James? <a href="https://fathom.video/share/wK1cG5X5uzNzTyz4YJR6WGYoBzxpFSCg?timestamp=3286.68">@54:46</a> - James Shields Sorry, I realized I'm muted. I've got a couple of things I've got to get done, so I'm going to drop off. But I'll try and get some update on that. Membership. And I'll keep going on the attributes. So talk to you soon. Take care. Have a good day.

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