>>> [!note] Migrated issue <!-- Drupal.org comment --> <!-- Migrated from issue #3505969. --> Reported by: [jdleonard](https://www.drupal.org/user/80902) >>> <h2>Original Google Doc</h2> <p>You might find the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SXj9pLYuZNcFSfn41Lf5hkSyjB_iCKiYeqzTrvsMKuQ/edit">original Google Doc</a> from which this was copied to be easier to consume and to include additional detail (e.g. comments) not present in this issue.</p> <h2>Who is here?</h2> <ul> <li>Barbara Errickson (barbarae)</li> <li>JD Leonard (jdleonard)</li> <li>Bhavin Joshi (beautifulmind)</li> <li>J&uuml;rgen Haas (jurgenhaas)</li> <li>Salim Lakhani (Salim)</li> <li>Kathryn Carruthers (kathc)</li> <li>Bob Snodgrass (bsnodgrass)</li> <li>Norah (tekNorah)</li> <li>Tom Yukhayev (charginghawk)</li> </ul> <h2>Action Items from Previous Meetings</h2> <p> N/A </p> <h2>What Topics Should We Discuss? / Notes</h2> <ul> <li>Seek permission from attendees to record the meeting</li> <li>Project background</li> <ul> <li>Reason JD initiated this project:</li> <ul> <li>His neighborhood association badly needed a new website and its cobbled together membership management system requires too much volunteer time to manage</li> <li>Membership organizations (MOs) share many requirements; why should they each be reinventing the wheel?</li> <li>MOs with low technical or financial resources are stuck</li> </ul> <li>This is the first meeting of potential collaborators</li> </ul> <li>Introductions. Who are you, why does this project interest you, and how might you want to contribute?</li> <ul> <li>J&uuml;rgen</li> <ul> <li>(LakeDrops)</li> <li>Track lead for privacy for Drupal CMS</li> <li>Interested because 15 years ago started working for a company in Germany offering software with similar target</li> <ul> <li>Just a German market product</li> </ul> <li>650,000 potential MOs in Germany alone</li> <li>MOs a big part of German culture</li> <li>Interested in sharing experience</li> <li>Limited availability for contribution</li> </ul> <li>Kathryn</li> <ul> <li>Doing volunteer work with Senior Women Living Together, a MO in Ontario</li> <li>Careerwise working with nonprofits and labor orgs in Canada using CiviCRM for the same amount of time using Drupal</li> <li>Lots of resistance in Drupal agencies to using CiviCRM (but CiviCRM community likes Drupal)</li> <ul> <li>Exploring this as an alternative</li> </ul> <li>Interested in Drupal Events Platform as well</li> </ul> <li>Bob</li> <ul> <li>Working with Drupal for 20 years now</li> <li>Client mix includes service orgs e.g. accountants/attorneys, mfg/distribution</li> <li>Nonprofits they deal with - many involved in foundations or MOs</li> <li>Not lots of great solutions currently available that aren&rsquo;t paid products / full of old technical debt</li> <li>Adding another thought - most of the organizations I&rsquo;ve worked with initially fall off the prospect list early in the qualification/discovery process due to the mismatch between the desired scope vs. the available budget.</li> </ul> <li>Barbara</li> <ul> <li>Involved in CiviCRM and Drupal for 15 years after 30 years in corporate world</li> <li>Retired from Texas Instruments</li> <li>Has worked with nonprofits for all 15 years since retiring</li> <li>CiviCRM can do almost anything a nonprofit needs</li> <ul> <li>Over 11k installations</li> </ul> <li>Drupal + Civi not for the faint of heart, but once implemented is a very powerful/complete solution</li> <li>Implementing the same feature set of Civi within Drupal would be a very large undertaking</li> <li>On the board of her HoA with 570 homes heading to 1,000, expensive houses = good budget</li> <ul> <li>Built resident system using Civi + Drupal</li> </ul> </ul> <li>Norah</li> <ul> <li>15+ years in Drupal Dev &rarr; PM; intern coordinator &rarr; Director of Communications</li> <li>Not sure if she has a particular use case except maybe Drupal4Gov</li> <ul> <li>Especially donation platforming</li> </ul> <li>Bespoke solutions often take lots of effort and are haphazard glued together</li> <li>Has nonprofit clients but not sure how extensive we&rsquo;re talking</li> <li>Wonders whether more could be handled directly in the Drupal CMS vs an integration with an external system</li> </ul> <li>Bhavin</li> <ul> <li>More than 17 years Drupal experience</li> <li>Working with many nonprofits inc. with CiviCRM &amp; drupal</li> <li>Many orgs seeking membership features, but always starting from scratch</li> <li>Would love a single solution</li> <li>Available as needed to contribute with coding etc.</li> </ul> <li>Tom</li> <ul> <li>Interested in a Meetup alternative</li> <li>Web developer in MA</li> </ul> <li>Salim</li> <ul> <li>Interested in Meetup alternative</li> <li>Recommend: Should get Josh Mitchel involved - personalization</li> <ul> <li>For group management</li> <li>Personalization built in</li> <li>Workflow: person assigned to groups, gets news</li> <li>News feed</li> <li>Events</li> </ul> <li>Running DevPanel &rarr; DrupalForge</li> <ul> <li>Dev Environments</li> <li>Integration with Stripe</li> <ul> <li>Supports split payments</li> <li>Ideal for Donation use cases</li> </ul> <li>Hosting</li> <li>For Dev to take what they are developing, to remarket</li> <li>Not barring open source</li> </ul> </ul> <li>JD</li> <ul> <li>Freelance technical architect</li> <li>Has been working with Drupal since 2006 (over 18 years)</li> <li>President and Former Treasurer of his local neighborhood association</li> </ul> </ul> <li>Define high-level project goals</li> <ul> <li><em>&ldquo;Drupal native lightweight ecosystem of user friendly tooling to meet the needs of membership organizations&rdquo;</em></li> <ul> <li>+1 Barbara - as long as is feature-rich</li> <li>+1 Jurgen</li> <li>+1 JD - turnkey</li> </ul> <li>Needs to look nice - Salim</li> <ul> <li>Not a fan of CiviCRM look</li> <li> - I have been avoiding end users seeing CiviCRM by using webforms as the data entry and views (using CiviCRM/Drupal integrations) - e.g. profile questionnaire, and exposed filters in a view to find members in a directory. Only the administrators who need to do reporting actually go in to CiviCRM </li> </ul> <li>Affordable and feature-rich</li> <li>Membership management as an MVP?</li> <li>Organizations can define the tier and set the price for each tier</li> <li>The solution should offer an environment/framework to define various tier and associated prices. </li> <li>There should be multiple payment processors organisations can choose from and connect with. </li> <li>content management</li> <li>We should start with targeting Drupal 11 along with offering recipes. </li> <li>Ideas</li> <ul> <li>Question about whether we start with Drupal CMS</li> <li>Ecosystem for MOs with all the needed features</li> <li>Ecosystem of recipes using the framework</li> <li>Look at <a href="https://skvare.com/">Skvare</a> (Mark) which has lots of integrations with <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/civicrm">CiviCRM</a></li> </ul> </ul> <li>Discuss project management, meeting cadence, communication plan, and other logistics</li> <ul> <li>Norah is a PM, willing to help set things up</li> <li>Is this time good?</li> <ul> <li>Friday - no good for most</li> <li>Norah: no conflicts today</li> </ul> <li>We should have a d.o project/initiative </li> <li>Cadence: bi-weekly (+1 Bhavin) may make sense; ad hoc sessions outside of full group</li> <li>Consider Asynchronous</li> <ul> <li>- check out <a href="https://github.com/mdlutz24/drupal-meeting-parser">Drupal Meeting Parser</a></li> <li>Good example is in the #event-organizers channel</li> </ul> </ul> <li>Brainstorm better/permanent names for the project</li> <ul> <li>Huddles</li> </ul> <li>Brainstorm possible features (whether for initial release or long-term consideration)</li> <ul> <li><a href="https://designsystem.digital.gov/templates/">USWDS Theme</a> (Salim/TBD)</li> <ul> <li>Salim doing some work on government sites/theme</li> </ul> <li>Focus on ONE segment first (Salim/TBD)</li> <ul> <li>MVP, iterate</li> <li>Critical features, foundational</li> </ul> <li>Membership dues collection (Salim/TBD)</li> <ul> <li>Subscriptions? </li> <li>What do we use?</li> <ul> <li>Opinionated or Extendable/Pluggable; both?</li> <li>Can be a lot of effort to support many</li> <li>Global scope may require multiple</li> </ul> <li>Commerce module may help to solve this</li> <ul> <li>Commerce license supports things</li> <li>Commerce recurring (and licence billing)</li> </ul> </ul> <li>Membership management</li> <ul> <li>Different types of memberships</li> <ul> <li>Names (individual/business/family/household)</li> <li>Durations</li> <li>Price per level</li> </ul> <li>Self-service join/renew</li> <ul> <li>Ability to require invitation to join</li> </ul> </ul> <li>Content management</li> <ul> <li>Pages</li> <li>News</li> </ul> <li>Basic CRM</li> <ul> <li>Identify potential members</li> <li>Track members&rsquo; activities</li> </ul> <li>Document/process management</li> <ul> <li>Agendas</li> <li>Minutes</li> </ul> <li>Outbound communications </li> <ul> <li>Email (Mailchimp alternative)</li> <li>SMS</li> </ul> <li>Statistics</li> <li>Donations: Payments/in-kind efforts</li> <li>Event Management</li> <ul> <li>Video call integrations</li> <li>Recurring</li> <li>RSVPs</li> </ul> <li>Groups</li> <li>Messages</li> <ul> <li>Social</li> </ul> <li>Donations / fees</li> <ul> <li>Transaction platforms</li> <ul> <li>Stripe</li> <li>Paypal</li> </ul> <li>Split payments</li> </ul> <li>Articles</li> <li>Initiatives/Projects</li> <li>Barbara - Define the core functions that non-profits may need like: Contact Management, Event management, Reports, Communication (like SMS), permissions/security</li> <li>Sponsorships</li> <li>Multiple membership organizations on one site</li> <ul> <li>Would allow to be a &ldquo;meetup alternative&rdquo;</li> <li>Could just build with this in mind for future</li> </ul> <li>Non-profit vs. clubs and other organizations (possibly for-profit)</li> </ul> <li>Base off <a href="https://www.drupal.org/node/3201091">event platform</a>?</li> <li>How to fund the project?</li> <ul> <li>Nonprofit</li> <li>DrupalForge revenue</li> <li>For-profit agency / professional services model</li> <li>Bounties for features</li> <li>Membership model</li> </ul> <li>Identify next steps and assign action items</li> </ul> <h2>Action Items</h2> <ul> <li>JD to draft a mission statement for review over Slack</li> <li>Schedule next meeting 2 weeks from today - JD</li> <li>Add Project on D.O. (at the appropriate time)</li> <li>Market research - needs a volunteer</li> <li>User testing</li> </ul> <h2>Zoom Recording</h2> <p><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iweHgusjkppkcvAtW2eNhMuv5VAMggGS&amp;usp=drive_fs">2025-01-16 MOP Meeting 1 recording.mp4</a></p> <p><a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iyA_8Qgiqcal4wIJMNs13g1SxuSyuGRm">2025-01-16 MOP Meeting 1 recording chat.txt</a></p> <h2>Previous Notes</h2> <p> N/A </p>