Distribution Modernization Initiative meeting on Dec 5, 2023 (#3410117) · Issues · project / infrastructure

Distribution Modernization Initiative meeting on Dec 5, 2023

>>> [!note] Migrated issue   Reported by: [hestenet](https://www.drupal.org/user/54034) >>> <p>This meeting:<br> ➤ Is for distribution developers, initiative contributors, the Drupal Association and anyone interested in the initiative.<br> ➤ Usually happens every other Tuesday at 1600 UTC.<br> ➤ Is done over chat.<br> ➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!<br> ➤ Has a public agenda anyone can add to.<br> ➤ *Transcript will be exported and posted* to the agenda issue. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.</p> <h2>Transcript</h2> <h2>0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread below with your drupal.org username to introduce yourself and tell us why you are joining us.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>thejimbirch on Drupal.org</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Tim (hestenet) from the DA :wave::skin-tone-3:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>earthday47</td> <td>earthday47 here, lurking</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Rajab Natshah (rajab-natshah) :clap:, catching up on updates about recipes, and how to cook them</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>EclipseGc, trying to make sure I know where this stuff is going</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Do you still want to remain anonymous?  If so, please start with a 👤 emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a 🚫 emoji. (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bob McDonald (ultrabob)</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>André Angelantoni</td> <td>:wave: to learn more about the details of the initiative</td> </tr> <tr> <td>markie</td> <td>hello! Thanks for adding your d.o user name folks.. makes things way easier</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Derek: dww</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bsnodgrass (he/him)</td> <td>Finally able to check in today… Greetings all bsnodgrass:bsnodgrass (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>briangilbert (realityloop) (he/him)</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bircher</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> </table> <h2>1️⃣ Do you have any topics to propose for the meeting today? Feel free to propose them in this thread, and then I will give them their own unique threads for discussion. Conversation moving slow? Go ahead and open your own thread in the next numeric order.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>I do have a topic today: The Drop Times would like to do an article about Distributions and Recipes. They've sent a questionaire. Please use 'suggest mode' to add your suggested content: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ryng2FoW53UwyEUW-H7UGO8pWkBlQRo4PY1hUb8Z8Bs/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ryng2FoW53UwyEUW-H7UGO8pWkBlQRo4PY1hUb8Z8Bs/edit</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I’m going to hop back on my drum, and ask how Recipes affect distributions/profiles (Which we’ve traditionally used kind of as interchangeable words). If the answer is “Recipes are separate, but can be combined with profiles to produce a distro” that’s a fine answer. I just still don’t see this effort really touching on profiles in a positive light, and I’d love to get some authoritative clarity on that topic.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>@eclipsegc I think Model core's standard install profile as recipes pretty much answers that.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>Is this a good place to talk about configuration validation issues?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>(there are a few issues in RTBC around configuration schema validation that has been waiting in that state for a while, and it would be nice to receive feedback on them :sweat_smile: , i.e. <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?text=&projects=Drupal+core&assigned=&su[…]wers=&status%5B%5D=14&issue_tags_op=%3D&issue_tags=validation">https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?text=&projects=Drupal+core&assigned=&su[…]wers=&status%5B%5D=14&issue_tags_op=%3D&issue_tags=validation</a> )</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>@wimleers (he/him) the OP just says it would be useful to understand how recipes would model what core’s install profiles do.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I would, for instance, be apprehensive about replacing core’s install profiles with recipes once this ticket is “done” (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Adding config validation to #5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>What is the best way to manage user roles? Permissions with thierd partiy contrib modules ( workflow )Exmaple:  Site admin and content admin may have permissions to add/edit/delete a content for a content type. but authinticated (editor, or blogger ) may not have the delete and edit any content.But when the workflow is insalled, a default permissons could follow for the content types ( like a recpy for default workflows )Still doing test and trials (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Moving to #6 :this2:</td> </tr> </table> <h2>2️⃣  Our top 3 endeavors right now.  A great place to start for every skill level.Developers:[meta] Make recipes safer to use in the real world by supporting config validation and rolling back a broken recipeRecipe Creators:Model core's standard install profile as recipesSite Builders and Documenters:[META] Recipe maintainer and end user documentation</h2> <table> </table> <h2>3️⃣  The Drop Times would like to do an article about Distributions and Recipes. They've sent a questionaire.Please use 'suggest mode' to add your suggested content: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ryng2FoW53UwyEUW-H7UGO8pWkBlQRo4PY1hUb8Z8Bs/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ryng2FoW53UwyEUW-H7UGO8pWkBlQRo4PY1hUb8Z8Bs/edit</a></h2> <table> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>I've added some initial thoughts, but could use help on the later questions especially as I haven't kept close enough up to date with the implementation details.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>cc @Alka Elizabeth and @Ben Peter from Drop Times who sent me the request</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Lots of history here.  Alex should have some input for sure.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah, cc @alexpott</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ben Peter</td> <td>Thank you @hestenet (he/him) for sharing !!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ben Peter</td> <td>@thejimbirch Thank you so much for mentioning @alexpott</td> </tr> </table> <h2>4️⃣ how Recipes affect distributions/profiles (Which we’ve traditionally used kind of as interchangeable words). If the answer is “Recipes are separate, but can be combined with profiles to produce a distro” that’s a fine answer. I just still don’t see this effort really touching on profiles in a positive light, and I’d love to get some authoritative clarity on that topic.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Wim says "I think Model core's standard install profile as recipes pretty much answers that."</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>@wimleers (he/him) let’s continue here?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>Quoting myself from the other thread:the OP just says it would be useful to understand how recipes would model what core’s install profiles do.I would, for instance, be apprehensive about replacing core’s install profiles with recipes once this ticket is “done”</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>To me, it would be nice to have the option of no install profile.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I’m being a little selfish here, but I want to be clear</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>Install profiles have kind of gotten the short end of the stick since the release of D8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I’ve finally got them back to where they’re usable for me with profile_manager</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I would like for all of that not to break because we rewrote it all and only achieved feature parity with what D8 core did. Especially when D8 core broke so many D7 use cases</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>recipes looks like an even bigger step backwards</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I haven't been around in a while, but my take remains fairly unchanged: recipes hope to be a better solution for many use cases, and install profiles remain mostly unchanged / unfixed.  I think your concerns are totally fair.  And I think it's valid to improve what we imagine / assume is the "80% case" based on our collective learning from the pains of the original technology.  Once recipes are nice and "solid",  we've got some experience with them, and they're really improving some things, we could (will?) turn our attention back to improving the install profile end of the stick.  But that would be "phase N+1" at this point.  Others may (probably?) disagree. :blush:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>all of that sounds totally ++ to me. I’ve just heard other rumbling that I (possibly erroneously) interpreted as “Let’s replace all the plumbing for profiles with recipes” and it’s that which concerns me</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I think once we're solid with recipes, it's worth trying to replace as much of existing install profile plumbing as possible.  But that won't be everything, and what's left will probably still need help at that point.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>right, that’s the bit that ultimately concerns me. And that concern in 2 fold:I worry that we’ll collectively get ambitious and feel like we can do it in one cycle instead of releasing recipes as is and letting it simmer before boiling the install profile oceans with it.Core doesn’t actually support everything profiles used to do. And so we’re still not at feature parity with D6/7. So moving it to recipes w/o a plan to finish out the old support is worrisome.I’m walking into a meeting, so I’ll be slow to respond</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I think those are both totally fair points.  I think 1 is a great one to raise right now, and hopefully we can all collectively agree that we should release more and more of the plumbing in stable versions of core before we start releasing changes to existing install profiles.   But I wouldn't mind if the very next minor version of core started to replace small pieces of standard with recipes that do exactly the same thing, leaving everything else about install profiles + standard unchanged.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I could agree to that too, and I think that’s really what I’m asking for. No reductive changes to the install profile tooling for at least a full version of Drupal core. Let Recipes bake, let people evaluate whether or not they continue to need profiles, and then either improve profile future (if we continue to need them) or if recipes have truly solved all the missing bits, or have enough API bits to ensure we can do what we can do with profiles, then cool, we look towards replacing the old API at that point, but not sooner.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Is there a list of what Profiles do, have done, and should do?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>You mentioned earlier of things that were in profiles in 6/7 that didn't make it to 8, and I inferred you think they should have.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>It would be helpful to have that list to compare against if one were to approach replacing profiles with recipes.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I don’t know that this strictly qualifies, but I tried to write up a bit of this previously: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EwdEowlBnNuKZAo9jbBh0FYwxvAn2hoMRB34sD-cQus/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EwdEowlBnNuKZAo9jbBh0FYwxvAn2hoMRB34sD-cQus/edit?usp=sharing</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Nice write up.  Should this be a core issue?  Or an issue in the recipes project?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I’m not sure. Frankly, a number of the things recipes is trying to do confuse me. It seems more like a tool for automating normally human actions. There’s no desire to encode those actions in a way that allows recipe authors to “maintain” the deployed versions of the recipe. That’s kind of the opposite of what a profile needs. Profiles want to be maintained both for new installs and for existing installs. (Thus my hesitance that recipes should ever replace profiles). So I think maybe it should be a core issue.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Yes, recipes are meant to be ephemeral, a starting point.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>No desire to do anything after the recipe is applied.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>But the site owner could re-apply a recipe or add a new one.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Different from what you want.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>Right. So that’s not what a profile is and not what profile authors need in order to maintain them.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>(This my confusion at us discussing them in the same breath as profiles)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>Thus*</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bsnodgrass (he/him)</td> <td>Good points and things to consider.</td> </tr> </table> <h2>5️⃣ Config validation</h2> <table> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td><a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1701799267485809?thread_ts=1701796765.440399&cid=C2THUBAVA">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1701799267485809?thread_ts=1701796765.440399&cid=C2THUBAVA</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>What kind of feedback and from whom?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>Just wondering if there is something blocking them, or if it is just time/focus that is making them stale there.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>Also, I am wondering if I am understanding correctly what is happening by default on validation for exisiting types, full details at the thread starting at <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/5675#note_238691">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/5675#note_238691</a> and linking to one previous @wimleers (he/him)’s comments.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>There have been holidays, illnesses and other blockers for core committers over the last few weeks / months.  And, the #needs-review-queue-initiative keeps moving things into RTBC. So the RTBC queue has been getting backed up a bit.  The committers process it from the oldest end of the queue, so it's good not to "bump" issues.  The fact these are getting towards the back of the queue means that they'll hopefully get seen soon. :pray:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>That said, it's always helpful for non-committers to triage the RTBC queue and make sure things are actually RTBC, so that when committers look at something, they end up committing it, not sending back to NW for anything.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>@dww Very good call on helping triage the RTBC queue. Currently 169 RTBC issues for 11.x :exploding_head: :exploding_head: :exploding_head:Just started near the end and immediately found one that shouldn’t have been RTBC: <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-13"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3393669" title="Status: Needs work">#3393669: Drupal\datetime_range\Plugin\Field\FieldType\DateRangeItem::mainPropertyName() should return NULL</a></span>#comment-15347599</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>And another: <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3190542" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3190542: Layout Builder overrides section storage sets local tasks block cache max-age to 0 on content entity pages without overrides enabled</a></span>#comment-15347606</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>@dww un-RTBC’d 5 issues by now, or a ~3% reduction :stuck_out_tongue:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>marvil07</td> <td>@wimleers (he/him) Am I understanding you correctly at <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/5675#note_238691">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/5675#note_238691</a> ? (links to a previous comment you made on other PR, around typed data validation on config)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>wimleers (he/him)</td> <td>Missed this, but responded earlier today 🙂</td> </tr> </table> <h2>6️⃣ What is the best way to manage user roles? Permissions with third partiy contrib modules ( workflow )</h2> <table> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Exmaple:  Site admin and content admin may have permissions to add/edit/delete a content for a content type. but authinticated (editor, or blogger ) may not have the delete and edit any content.But when the workflow is insalled, a default permissons could follow for the content types ( like a recpy for default workflows )</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>I haven't done much experimenting with roles. @Rajab Natshah.  But this repo has an example: <a href="https://github.com/wunderio/next-drupal-starterkit/tree/main/drupal/recipes/wunder_roles">https://github.com/wunderio/next-drupal-starterkit/tree/main/drupal/recipes/wunder_roles</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I’m not sure I follow the example</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>3 types of recipeson timeingOn install of a feature ( Blog content type )On creating a new content type after having the setup with workflowOn updates ( like updating a site with having a default workflow. ( Is like switching from small site ( small team ) to big site ( large team )</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>for now I do 1-(install) and 2-(creating) by custom code to auto configure an Edtirial workflow with all new created content types.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Trying to find ways to drop all custom code, and let the recipes do the work</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>@thejimbirch so you want, when you install some module (or recipe that creates a content type?) that particular roles get related perms?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>@Rajab Natshah ^^ is this in the realm of what we’re discussing?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Yes, compined .. user roles + selected permissions + 3rd party like ( workflow configs over content types ) maybe with its default permissions</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>ok, fwiw, profile manager supports this with config partials</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>so a module can ship yaml in /config/partials of the same name as the role, and whatever yaml they include is merged into the running config</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/profile_manager/-/blob/1.0.x/src/EventSubscriber/MergeOptionalModuleConfigPartials.php?ref_type=heads">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/profile_manager/-/blob/1.0.x/src/EventSubscriber/MergeOptionalModuleConfigPartials.php?ref_type=heads</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>it only works with modules marked as “optional” but it absolutely works. I 100% needed this to make sure that when modules are installed, existing roles get updated perms</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Maybe I was playing with another event subscriber</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>There are a few in there</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>and they all do interesting things</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Yes. ConfigEvents::SAVE</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>oh, I understand what you mean</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>so we could play with (import, export, and save )</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/varbase/-/blob/10.0.x/src/Config/ConfigBit.php?ref_type=heads#L163">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/varbase/-/blob/10.0.x/src/Config/ConfigBit.php?ref_type=heads#L163</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>This way was for Drupal 8. But I want to switch the full logic to recipes</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Old time solution (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>So for recipes, you will need to experiment with the config action options</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>For your examples 2 and 3.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>The most common is simple_config_update    config.name:      simple_config_update:        foo: bar</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>setComponent(s) is probably what you are going to need for your 3rd example to add to existing configs.  here is an example that adds fields on to a user profile: core.entity_form_display.user.user.default:<br> setComponents:<br> -<br> name: field_last_password_reset<br> options:<br> type: datetime_default<br> weight: 4<br> region: content<br> settings: { }<br> third_party_settings: { }<br> -<br> name: field_password_expiration<br> options:<br> type: boolean_checkbox<br> weight: 3<br> region: content<br> settings:<br> display_label: true<br> third_party_settings: { }</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Got that third_party_settings using the setComponents.1st grep the core.entity_form_display.user.user.default2nd set components in it.3rd grep a user.role one4th set components in it ( selected permissions )</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I think I have to start cooking first, then write the recipe for itPhysical experimentation is a must. (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Fascinating thread, thanks y'all.  Someday when I actually start playing with these, excited to see how this all shakes out...</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bircher</td> <td>config actions are just plugins so theoretically one could add custom ones too. but I think for adding permission(s) there is one already</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>OH!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>You're right.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>actions:<br> config.name<br> grantPermissions:<br> - 'delete any event content'<br> - 'edit any event content'</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>WoW, Grate, grant permission is ready then!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bircher</td> <td>I think we have that for a while already, and even singular and plural</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bircher</td> <td>I think one of the issues is discoverability</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>It feels that the recpy.patch over Drupal Core is worth having in our distro</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I did this as in Issue #3344821: Add Permissions for user roles to Varbase Workflow from scanned config/permissions directory</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Having the Module Installer Factory Class with Add Permissions for user roles from scanned directory #9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I'm trying to swtich everything from our custom factory.. to recipes.patchHoping that it will be comitted to Core.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I think it will be in Drupal 11. If we adde the path it will add a mintaince time to make sure that it works in evey Drupal 10 minor or batch release.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>@bircher what do you recommend in this case? switch to the patch</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I'm doing the physical experimentation for this in a playground profile.We keep changing the order of logic in the experiment case setup<a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1698168786512659 ">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1698168786512659 </a>(edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>bircher</td> <td>I think using the patch is ok, it is of course still very experimental but Alex Pott is very careful to commit stuff to it to keep disruptions low. but there might still be a few that change the format of recipes so some work will be necessary to keep up. But I think we will create change notices for those cases</td> </tr> </table> <h2>7️⃣ Does anyone have a recipe they would like to add to the Recipes Cookbook?</h2> <table> <tr> <td>André Angelantoni</td> <td>Oh, dang, wish I had known this existed.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>André Angelantoni</td> <td>If there isn’t already an example, I’ll add mine as an example of how to create a demo recipe and a production recipe.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>That'd be great, thanks.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Thanks again for maintaining this page, super useful!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>thejimbirch</td> <td>Thank you for the kind words!</td> </tr> </table> <p>Participants:</p> <p>thejimbirch, hestenet, eclipsegc, Wim Leers, marvil07, Rajab Natshah, Ben Peter, dww, bsnodgrass (he/him), bircher, André Angelantoni</p>

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