>>> [!note] Migrated issue <!-- Drupal.org comment --> <!-- Migrated from issue #3399933. --> Reported by: [markie](https://www.drupal.org/user/206687) >>> <p>This meeting:<br> &#10148; Is for distribution developers, initiative contributors, the Drupal Association and anyone interested in the initiative.<br> &#10148; Usually happens every other Tuesday at 1600 UTC.<br> &#10148; Is done over chat.<br> &#10148; Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don&rsquo;t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!<br> &#10148; Has a public agenda anyone can add to.<br> &#10148; *Transcript will be exported and posted* to the agenda issue. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.</p> <h2>0&#65039;&#8419; Who is here today? Comment in the thread below to introduce yourself and tell us why you are joining us.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>here</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td>Tim from the DA - back for a half-day ish since I had a rough return journey from Lille and not feeling 100% yet</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bob McDonald</td> <td>:wave: still lurking.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Casias</td> <td>:wave::skin-tone-3:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fabian Bircher</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rosie Le Faive</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Naveen Valecha</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Amjad</td> <td>Hi Amjad Here, Joining for updates</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Brian Gilbert</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> </table> <h2>1&#65039;&#8419; Do you have any topics to propose for the meeting today? Feel free to propose them in this thread, and then I will give them their own unique threads for discussion. Conversation moving slow? Go ahead and open your own thread in the next numeric order.</h2> <h2>2&#65039;&#8419; Contributed modules documentation page and Recipes Cookbook page set up.&nbsp; Please feel free to add documentation and publicly available recipes so we can all learn from each other.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td>Loved seeing the cookbook idea come together. I think that's a really good thing.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>Thanks.&nbsp; Hope to have some more submissions for us all to peek at.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Thanks, the links in the Cookbook!!This week I feel for the first time that I'm comfortable to add the recipe.patch in default template for projects and start cooking configs&nbsp;(edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>&#10084;&#65039; the cookbook</td> </tr> </table> <h2>3&#65039;&#8419; Is there anyone who could recap any recipes related things from DrupalCon Lille?</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td>I was all over the place in Lille, but not super close to the Recipes related stuff, however, I remember several people talking about it, and doing some things in the contrib area, so I hope someone will chime in.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>There was not a lot of specific recipe work. There was one session that mentioned recipes in the title - <a href="https://events.drupal.org/lille2023/session/zero-multilingual-nextjs-site-powered-next-drupal-and-drupal-recipes-one-command">https://events.drupal.org/lille2023/session/zero-multilingual-nextjs-site-powered-next-drupal-and-drupal-recipes-one-command</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>There was work on config validation and I worked on being able to uninstall install profiles.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>what would uninstalling an install profile look like?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I&rsquo;m kind of having trouble even wrapping my brain around the concept</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Not having the module enabled and \Drupal::installProfile() not returning a module name.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>so then&hellip; it&rsquo;s not going to affect any of the config the profile provided?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Not at all.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>so, technically, ok I understand. It does sound like a way to really bork a site though</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>why would we want that feature? so we can migrate to another profile?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Because this has actually happened on many sites where the install profile goes missing and Drupal has code to mark a module as uninstalled when this happens.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>interesting!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Being able to uninstall standard would be a big win for many because then their site becomes installable from config</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I guess I&rsquo;ve almost always been the sole proprietor of all my install profiles, so I&rsquo;ve never experienced that</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Many people run into a bug due to standard install creating content entities during an install.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>so then&hellip; in that case they just would have no profile at all?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Yes.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Which should be fine.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>and that would sort the &ldquo;create this site from this pile of config&rdquo; problem?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>In terms of Standard yes.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>In terms of borking your site - we check that the install profile does not provide any modules you&rsquo;ve got installed. If it does you are prevented from uninstalling.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>assume the code was all there, would that also then pick up a particular install profile if that were part of the core.extension.yml file?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>ahh right so like if I have /profiles/foo/module/bar then if I&rsquo;m using bar module, I cannot uninstall</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>assume the code was all there, would that also then pick up a particular install profile if that were part of the core.extension.yml file?I don&rsquo;t understand the question.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>core.extension.yml says &ldquo;use foo profile&rdquo; and I have the code for foo profile in my code base.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>You&rsquo;ll only use the code from foo profile if it is an installed module. This is coupled to the profile key that is in core.extension too. But code loading only happens for installed modules.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I don&rsquo;t have a use case for this, it was a curiosity mostly</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>The profile key doesn&rsquo;t really do too much to site once the site is installed.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I&rsquo;ll poke at it once you&rsquo;ve got it to a state where that might even be a thing</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>sounds interesting. It also sounds somewhat antithetical to how I typically think about/use profiles, but&hellip; fixing interactions with Standard/Minimal that people often have would be great</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>This is a v old issue - <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/1170362" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#1170362: Install profile is disabled for lots of different reasons and core doesn't allow for that</a></span> - been working on it on and off for a while&hellip; it was close a year ago &#128578;</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>does that mean there might be a &ldquo;none&rdquo; option for profile when installing Drupal?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>does that mean there might be a &ldquo;none&rdquo; option for profile when installing Drupal?I don&rsquo;t think so</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>But there is the ability to install from config already. Plus maybe it some far future none + select a load of recipes might be I guess. But it&rsquo;s not something I particularly care about right now.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>fair enough</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I mean, to a certain degree &ldquo;Minimal&rdquo; is basically what none should be.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>especially if minimal.profile doesn&rsquo;t exist or does nothing.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>yeah, doesn&rsquo;t exist&hellip; so that&rsquo;s a good start</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Here&rsquo;s an example of problems people have with the standard profile - <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/2583113" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#2583113: Config import from a different site fails because of shortcut.set.default.yml</a></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>yeah, I think I filed the original version of this problem very very early in the D8 cycle</td> </tr> <tr> <td>eclipsegc</td> <td>I just wasn&rsquo;t aware they were related to standard profile</td> </tr> </table> <h2>4&#65039;&#8419; Submissions for DrupalCon Portland end next week.&nbsp; Should I submit another session?&nbsp; Or does anyone have any other ideas?</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td>I think it would be great to have one. I know we won't full know what it will contain just yet, but I imagine we'll have updates.It could even include a portion that is the Recipes 'Cooking show' showing off some cookbook entries &#128578;</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Laura Johnson</td> <td>I was thinking it would be fun to have a &ldquo;Let&rsquo;s Build A Recipe&rdquo; workshop. Is anyone doing that already?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>I don't think anyone else besides me has submitted.&nbsp; At least they didn't post about it.I submitted a general initiative update.<a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1698413890354209">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/C2THUBAVA/p1698413890354209</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>I think aa workshop would be a cool thing!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Laura Johnson</td> <td>Agreed! If you are interested in doing it I would be happy to help you with the details (and could also help you run it) or if not, would you be okay with me putting a proposal together? In which case I would be very happy to have your input!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Laura Johnson</td> <td>Or if you would rather take it and run with it by yourself that&rsquo;s fine with me&hellip; I just think it could be a popular one and let people get their hands dirty</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>I would be more than happy to support you!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Laura Johnson</td> <td>Awesome, thanks! :awesome:I&rsquo;ll try to put something together in the next couple of days and will run it past you to get your thoughts if that&rsquo;s okay.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>That would be great.&nbsp; @me when ever!</td> </tr> </table> <h2>5&#65039;&#8419; Novice level task to update the documentation: setComponent(s) examples are incorrect in docs branch <h2>6&#65039;&#8419; The initiative could use some help documenting these meetings. We haven't updated Drupal.org since July. Reach out if that is something you have time for.</h2> </h2><table> <tr> <td>Mark Casias</td> <td>is there a direct link to the meeting notes?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) do you have documentation on how these meetings are turned into issues?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td>Just the GitHub page for the slack meeting extension.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tim Lehnen</td> <td><a href="https://github.com/mdlutz24/drupal-meeting-parser">https://github.com/mdlutz24/drupal-meeting-parser</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>@markie :point_up: You copy pasta with the help of that extension into the drupal issue queue.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Casias</td> <td>caught up through October 10th.. I can't credit folks in the infrastructure project...</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Casias</td> <td>it would be nice if we made sure to ask for peoples d.o profile in 0&#65039;&#8419; so it's easier to find them.. also, ones that don't get a thread don't get picked up so it's a manual copy paste..</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) Markie added all the meetings up to one previous.&nbsp; However, he can't give credit to folks.&nbsp; Could you give him permission to do that?&nbsp; Or add that to your long list of things to do?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>@markie I updated point zero to ask for their d.o name.0&#65039;&#8419; Who is here today? Comment in the thread below with your drupal.org username to introduce yourself and tell us why you are joining us.</td> </tr> </table> <h2>7&#65039;&#8419; Lots of work and "Add validation constrains" issues in the Configuration validation space: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?projects=&amp;project_issue_followers=&amp;stat[…]_tags_op=all+of&amp;issue_tags=Configuration+schema%2C+validation">https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?projects=&amp;project_issue_followers=&amp;stat[…]_tags_op=all+of&amp;issue_tags=Configuration+schema%2C+validation</a></h2> <table> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Config Schema is so important. when working with insert/export/update/delete or fixing mismatched configs</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I think Drupal 11 will have a must have rule for all configs to work with the Drupal Config Factory.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fabian Bircher</td> <td>yea I think we should just log a warning or a warning message</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Elliot Ward</td> <td>Just adding constraints has caused some unexpected test breaks.EG [#3395562]At least I didn&rsquo;t expect them :smile:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fabian Bircher</td> <td>yea the "fun" when tests don't have valid config</td> </tr> </table> <h2>8&#65039;&#8419; Recipes + Permissions + User Roles + order of recipes&nbsp;(edited)&nbsp;</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>I had people experimenting for me on this ..And find out that an order is so important</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>A bit likeUser rolesData RecipesPermissions for selected Data recipesthen demos</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Cucumber--user-roles.png</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Cucumber--recipes.png</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Cucumber--demos.png</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>have a use for the "Permissions for user roles from scanned directory" to grant permissions</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>This would allow it to work as in the following example<a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/varbase_core/-/commit/226819ce62dd5c6e19154006ade638aa2cb4712a#b3e46774ec17e86442db5b5710a1ede6a0fdfbb9_90_92">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/varbase_core/-/commit/226819ce62dd5c6e19154006ade638aa2cb4712a#b3e46774ec17e86442db5b5710a1ede6a0fdfbb9_90_92</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>if (in_array('editoria11y', $modules)) {<br> // When the Editoria11y Accessibility Checker module is enabled, which not enabled by default.<br> // Add permissions for default user roles.<br> ModuleInstallerFactory::addPermissions('varbase_core', 'config/managed/editoria11y/permissions');<br> }Implements hook_modules_installed()</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>If that is to be replaced with a recipe.yml</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>the older will still so important which manipulating the Active Config with Config Schema</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>My older for the logic in this week isUser roles ( on install )Data structure Recipes&nbsp; ( on install )Permissions for selected Data recipes&nbsp; ( on install )then demos&nbsp;&nbsp; ( on install )Farther Update Recipes ( after install, with automatic updater(s) logic)(edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Would you have this logic of order when applying recipes?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>By the way I had a wrong order the week before, but it did not work, we had to re-order tasks on install.I guess it will be the same order after installUser roles were sat and readyEnabled modules were sat tooRecipes can add permissions at this point.Recipes can add/update structures like ( views, content type ) and let them use the permission in the updated config. (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rajab Natshah</td> <td>Doing more experiments on that in the next weeks.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fabian Bircher</td> <td>ideally the order would be determined by dependencies</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Fabian Bircher</td> <td>so when you want to add permissions the role recipe gets applied if necessary</td> </tr> </table> <h2>9&#65039;&#8419; I would love to get the patch in this issue added, but there are tests failing.[#3322547]Could a developer take a look at this?&nbsp; It adds more context on what is making your recipes fail to apply.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>I&rsquo;ll take this on.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>@thejimbirch done!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Pott</td> <td>Tests are fixed and we have patches being built on 10.0.x, 10.1.x and 10.2.x</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jim Birch</td> <td>Sweet!&nbsp; Thanks so much!</td> </tr> </table> <p>Participants:</p> <p>Jim Birch, Tim Lehnen, Bob McDonald, Mark Casias, Fabian Bircher, Rosie Le Faive, Alex Pott, Naveen Valecha, Amjad, Brian Gilbert, Rajab Natshah, Laura Johnson</p>