GitLab Acceleration Initiative meeting on 1 Nov, 2023 (#3398460) · Issues · project / infrastructure

GitLab Acceleration Initiative meeting on 1 Nov, 2023

>>> [!note] Migrated issue   Reported by: [hestenet](https://www.drupal.org/user/54034) >>> <p>This meeting:<br> ➤ Is for core developers, initiative contributors, the Drupal Association and anyone interested in the initiative.<br> ➤ Usually happens every other Wednesday at 11:00 PT / Thursday 18:00 UTC<br> ➤ Is done over chat.<br> ➤ Happens in threads, which you can follow to be notified of new replies even if you don’t comment in the thread. You may also join the meeting later and participate asynchronously!<br> ➤ Lots of threads get posted all at once! Don't worry - start at the top and then jump into the threads that most interest you.<br> ➤ Has a public agenda anyone can add to in the issue<br> ➤ *Transcript will be exported and posted* to the agenda issue. For anonymous comments, start with a :bust_in_silhouette: emoji. To take a comment or thread off the record, start with a :no_entry_sign: emoji.</p> <p>ping: @mixologic @FeyP @jurgenhaas (go to the issue of the next meeting to add or remove yourself from the list)</p> <h2>Transcript</h2> <h2>0️⃣ Who is here today? Comment in the thread below to introduce yourself!</h2> <table> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Tim from the DA, mostly over my post-Con cold.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>:wave:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Derek, totally slammed but trying to keep my head above water</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Hi</td> </tr> <tr> <td>tyler36</td> <td>Hi from Japan</td> </tr> </table> <h2>1️⃣ Do you have any topics to propose for the meeting today? Feel free to propose them in this thread, and then I will give them their own unique threads for discussion. Conversation moving slow? Go ahead and open your own thread in the next numeric order.</h2> <table> <tr> <td>cmlara</td> <td>I know there has been a lot of other priorities (especially with the lift and shift) , but some traction on opening the API would be useful as even though we added PATS I would suggest they are almost unusable with so many restrictions in place. <a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?issue_tags=gitlab%20api">https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?issue_tags=gitlab%20api</a></td> </tr> </table> <h2>2️⃣ GitLab CI</h2> <table> </table> <h2>2️⃣ 1️⃣ GitLab CI: Missing/New featuresOptimizing resource requests (see the budget topic below)MariaDBNightwach supportPreserve original composer JSONCheck all files for coding standardsAllow options for testing against more supported versions of coreAnything else we're tracking? (edited)</h2> <table> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-1"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3388162" title="Status: Active">#3388162: Investigate realistic resource requests for core jobs</a></span> may help with cost control</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>:thankful:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>In the child we have an rtbc issue that already minimises a LOT</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>You should see a decrease in instances requested right away</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>@longwave you are a committer right? :wink:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>All lint jobs decrease to single digit cores (except phpstan)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Most testing jobs also single digit except phpunit functional for now</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>I think you should see a big decrease in instances.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3398321" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3398321: Optimize GitLab resource requests phase 1</a></span></td> </tr> </table> <h2>2️⃣ 2️⃣ GitLab/AWS BudgetAugust 2023 - USD 11,555.34September 2023 - USD 16,495.63October 2023 - USD 21,924.60Forecast - Nov 2023 - USD 23,217.35We did anticipate an increase in cost - and we can sustain a budget around the $20k/mo mark for the next year - assuming that is where we level off (remember, a DrupalCon month is usually high)However - if we continue to see much more significant increases month to month, we're going to have to pivot to price controls in some way. (edited) </h2> <table> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>is this mostly spot instance compute, or are there other places we could try to cut back?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>The large majority is spot compute (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>I dunno what could be done on the instance side so that its cheaper. Would smalles nodes help, would prepaying help, would less memory help is it cpu cost, storage, where can we optimize, is it runners, is it gitlab?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>can imagina price per cpuhour might be different for different instances</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah - we'll certainly internally look at the instance choice and pricing and all of that kind of stuff.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Mostly I'm putting this out there not to create anxiety - but to make us thoughtful of 'hmm - are there ways we can make this any more efficient from the testing side' 🙂</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>I don't see it as anxiety. Just wondering if there is something we can do on our side. But thats kinda hard without knowing the variables</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Some instance type detail for the curious.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>cmlara</td> <td>Would be interesting if its known where its coming from.Is it that users are now pressing the rebase button more often running more tests, single commits being pushed at a time over several minutes meaning more tests runs on open MR's,  how much is instance startup time taking up of those costs (since it appears were now launching several physical instances for each job instead of just one instance in DrupalCi), how much of that is new tooling that takes more time.  How much of that is underutilized compute, etc.   Pretty hard for us to look at this without some of that type of data I think.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>We need this committed for more efficient instance usage :wink: <a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/CGKLP028K/p1698867513769299?thread_ts=1698863222.295299&cid=CGKLP028K">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/CGKLP028K/p1698867513769299?thread_ts=1698863222.295299&cid=CGKLP028K</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>But you are right @cmlara, hard without more insights to know what to focus on to help.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>I would consider adding newer instance types (c6, c7) to the spot pool as they should give better performance and may sometimes be cheaper too</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>is there any tool get details about time spend in instance as each minute of init script has cost</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>I will finish image optimization it will cut 10-20 seconds (download/unpack) (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Once we do <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3398321" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3398321: Optimize GitLab resource requests phase 1</a></span> we should be spinning up less instances. If we do that, could we then reduce the lease time? I think it is 20 minutes at the moment.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>We can probably rationalize the daily test runs across branches, but that's not as easy as it was on DrupalCI since it requires a core MR each time.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Maybe move it to gitlab core template repo :sweat_smile:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>(Jk)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Would be nice to have <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3387117" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3387117</a></span> too, that'd let us further reduce CPUs e.g. on the phpstan job especially.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) if we commit <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3398321" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3398321: Optimize GitLab resource requests phase 1</a></span> how soon can you see a difference (assuming there is one)?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) also what is the DrupalCI AWS budget? (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>RE: how soon can I see an impact - the billing explorer updates the 'forecast' daily - but it's not necessarily super smart - so it might be hard to see for a week.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>This was our combined AWS budget. So the majority (about $13000 USD) is spot instances and that is a mix of both our new GitLab CI spots and the still existing DrupalCI instances.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-7"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3398321" title="Status: Closed (fixed)">#3398321: Optimize GitLab resource requests phase 1</a></span>#comment-15302412 is in so we can see if/what impact is has.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Thanks very much</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>FYI pushed slimmed down docker images for PHP 8.2 (the dev tag ATM to test)<a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/4822/diffsUsed">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/-/merge_requests/4822/diffsUsed</a> to run the whole pipeline twice and now it fits into 10-11 mins (7 for tests)<a href="https://hub.docker.com/r/drupalci/php-8.2-apache/tagsremoval">https://hub.docker.com/r/drupalci/php-8.2-apache/tagsremoval</a> of gcc/gdb from final image allowed to cutproduction 507 MB (1.54GB)=> dev (new build)  225 MB (688MB) => cli (no apache and phantomjs) 170 MB (542MB) (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>probably we should keep gcc to prevent failures of redis in contrib, so final 301.96 MB (905MB extracted)OTOH I see only redis ATM building extra extensions</td> </tr> <tr> <td>cmlara</td> <td>I'm building PCOV on several projects (tfa/s3fs/rabbitmq, vault + ecosystem) though honestly I think that makes a good candidate for an extension to be included in the base image.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>@cmlara good idea, as I removed phpgdb and it's fastest for todaybtw contrib can apt install $PHPIZE_DEPS as all other images are doing which are derived from official (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>cmlara</td> <td>Did we keep the php src? (I seem to recall that was under consideration for removal when this was discussion a few weeks back) If so than sounds viable, and I could easily work with that.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>andypost</td> <td>I had to return tarball, and now only one line to add <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/redis/-/merge_requests/24/diffs ">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/redis/-/merge_requests/24/diffs </a>(edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) probably not the best week to ask, but any improvement on this since the core change landed?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Screenshot 2023-11-27 at 9.04.50 AM.png</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>That's month to date for just the spot instance bill for November</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>And then the overall estimate:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>So forecast to be 6% lower than last month</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Not insignificant</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) don't know how to compare this to the OP - does the overall estimate include gitlab hosting itself?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>wonder if we should reconsider instance types as well</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>The overall includes everything we do on AWS, yeah - which is not even just GitLab Hosting, CI, etc.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>now the tests are so fast, do we strictly need the compute-optimized c3/4/5 series</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>maybe m series would be cheaper and almost as fast</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Wouldn't hurt for us to check out the instance pricing table at some point.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Fortunately - what this does show is that we're not continuing a hockey stick curve of upward cost growth. So we're in an okay spot.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>@hestenet (he/him) not sure if you saw yet, but a resource usage change for contrib got merged last week, down to 2 CPU from 32, so that should make a difference from now too.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Sweet.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah, I'm still getting caught up from being out last week, so haven't seen that yet, but that's great to hear.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Could probably mix and match the CPU sizing too - doesn't need to be 32 any more specifically.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Yeah biggest job has 24 though</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Could be less if we don't mind some less speed on phostan</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>If we request up to 32 though would we not still get those for the functional test jobs but potentially smaller ones for other things?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>phpstan we can still implement cloud caching for, so could use a lot less for that once that's done I think.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>That would be great</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Next highest is some functional isnt it, like 18?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Still 24 for functional but I think we can tweak that - at minimum we could do 16 CPU * more parallel.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>I feel that it would be optimal if we end up with max 8 for jobs. Will Costa some speed, but will give much more flexibility</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Hehe</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>That way at least we'd get either a 16 or 32 CPU machine which might help when it's busy?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>In the end it all kinda depends on node pricing.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Well 8c is easier to spread on machines. But again, dunno whats optimal pricing wise to ask for on aws. If price per cpu really changes between sizes</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Too little experience in true cloud providers to really say something sensible about that actually. So eh.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Yeah I also have no idea. It looks like they divide pricing by CPU, but if we use M + C series and ask for a wider range, maybe it ends up cheaper based on availability and etc. over time.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>:sweat_smile:  we need info from infra, what should be the goal</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>Or if it's price-neutral, less 'waiting for node'</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>Well, there might be a baseline of recourses we might not need to spot and just have available. Pricing on long term is a lot lower also if I remember correctly.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>So perhaps we can have like a few biggish nodes always running and not have to rely on spot procong and have some room always which could help especially in the first listing stage.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Björn Brala (bbrala)</td> <td>But again an infra thing to know :sweat_smile: (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah - we could consider reserved instances now that the usage is more constant with core moved over more fully</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>We could potentially stagger the core scheduled jobs to help more with that - was thinking we could even make the individual environments depend on each other.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>longwave</td> <td>spot instances are usually cheaper than reserved, because spot can go away at times of high demand</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah, reserved only work if we have at least a minimum constant load 24/7 - we'd have to check stats.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>catch</td> <td>How much scope is there for 'baseload' runners at OSUOSL and then AWS only for overflow?I'll open an issue about maybe running the child jobs in sequence instead of parellel for core scheduled jobs. Not sure what that looks like but it would potentially allow for a lot more re-use and less daily spikes.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>We might visit that idea after the D10 upgrades for all of www are done.</td> </tr> </table> <h2>3️⃣ GitLab InfraFully lifted and shifted to AWS nowFollowing up on some of the maintenance side of things (ensuring snapshots, backups, dev envs etc are ready for ongoing work) May still want to tweak the runner cluster/have separate core/contrib runners, etc. </h2> <table> </table> <h2>4️⃣ GitLab APIWe need to regroup on requested parts of the API to open up:<a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?issue_tags=gitlab%20api">https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search?issue_tags=gitlab%20api</a></h2> <table> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Raised by @cmlara</td> </tr> <tr> <td>cmlara</td> <td>Adding on for context:Those are tasks we can do if were using session authentication (which doesn't work well for 3rd party tooling which expects pats) they are just administratively blocked for PATS based requests.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>One step in the right direction -I've gone ahead and drafted the policy page we've said we wanted: <a href="https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/git/using-gitlab-to-contribute-to-drupal/policy-for-use-of-personal-access-tokens-pats-and-other-automation">https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/git/using-gitlab-to-contribute-to-drupal/policy-for-use-of-personal-access-tokens-pats-and-other-automation</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>It's pretty straightforward, but now it's written down.</td> </tr> </table> <h2>5️⃣ GitLab IssuesThis is obviously the next major, major milestone (and really the 'conclusion' of the initiative, though I'm sure we'll continue to improve things).As before DrupalConCredit migration content-type/ code is readyIssue migration code is ready Fork/MR management stuff stuff is readyBlocker: DB upgradesBlocker: SSO deployment</h2> <table> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>Is there any way to get visibility into the scope and progress on the two blockers? I dont think the status on this item has changed for a few months.I'm not sure what DB upgrades entails. Also, is SSO deployment limited to an infra task? Like, is all development done? Thankful for whatever you can share.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>DB upgrade needs coordination with the data center, in case it doesn’t come back and out-of-band access doesn’t work. It got prioritized behind the GitLab lift & shift, and also behind automatic updates infrastructure</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>All development for SSO is not done, it has not had very much review. It is more of a development task than infrastrcuture</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>Thanks. We are bockked by SSO deployment because SSO development isn't done 🙂 . Is SSO work public?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3338978" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3338978</a></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>Thanks. Alas there isnt a meaningful update on the issue since it was opened.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>Oh, child issues. Woops.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>Yeah. There's more activity in the child issues</td> </tr> <tr> <td>hestenet (he/him)</td> <td>And there's more still that isn't documented back in public, too -but.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Is there going to be some effort to deal with preventing ID collisions? I presume once we’re using GitLab issues, they’re gonna get their own (per-project?) ID numbering. But we’ve got 20+ years of d.o issue nids. If I see a commit message that says “Issue #12345: Fixes whatever”, how do I know if “12345” is a d.o nid or a GitLab ID? Are we gonna change the recommended commit message to include “GitLab” or something if we’re pointing to a GL issue not d.o? This might be worthy of a whole new thread, sorry…</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Semi-related: is there any plan to keep the huge history of d.o issue nodes in some kind of archived read-only state after the D10/11 upgrade of d.o? It would be a huge loss if all that became inaccessible in the future.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Or is the “issue migration” gonna move all that content into GL as the canonical source of truth, and all the d.o paths will redirect to GL?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Juraj Nemec</td> <td>I think the plan is to migrate everything, see: <a href="https://drupal.slack.com/archives/CGKLP028K/p1697593044703399">https://drupal.slack.com/archives/CGKLP028K/p1697593044703399</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>TL;DR I'm wondering what happens ~1 year from now if I go to drupal.org/node/3389510 ?Will I get redirected to <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/issues/23">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/issues/23</a> (IDs restarting from 0)?Will I get redirected to <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/issues/3389510">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/issues/3389510</a> (IDs maintained)?Will I see a read-only archive of the project_issue node (I see from the other thread that's going to be too much work to maintain)Other?Thanks!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Presumably with either option #1 or #2, all the comments and history of n/3389510 would be migrated into native GL content...</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>We can’t maintain IDs, so you go to the renumbered issue</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>We can maintain issue IDs</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Oh, that’s good. Still going forward, they aren’t the same. IDs are per-project, so project/id is unique. “moving” an issue to a different project in GitLab actually copies & renumbers it</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>If we can maintain the issue IDs during the migration, huzzah.  Then I don't have to mess around, and know that if git blame points me to a commit that says "Issue #12345: whatever", I can reliably go to git.drupalcode.org/project/[name-of-project-this-repo-is-for]/issues/12345 and know I can immediately get to the discussion that went into making that commit.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>See iid at <a href="https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/api/issues.html#new-issue">https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/api/issues.html#new-issue</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>It'd be a big hassle to have to first check d.o/n/12345 and hope it redirects me to the right place, and if not, try the GL URL instead.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>A big hassle to wait for a redirect? Come on now.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Not at all!  I mean having to check d.o/n/NID in case the issue is older than migration, and if that fails, try GL/issue/NID, since I wouldn't be able to be sure that GL/issue/NID actually goes to the right place...</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>The "big hassle" is the "and if not" case, that I can't reliably know what ID "12345" is from, if both systems might use that to refer to different issues.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>They’ll all auto-link anyway from the UI, like they do now. Maybe we can get rid of the automatic links to redirects and let GitLab do it natively, but we would have to keep ours to be able to route to arbitrary projects since they occasionally mismatch</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I'm not talking about the UI.  I'm talking about CLI: I'm in git blame .  I find a commit.  It references an issue ID.  Where do I find the discussion for that issue?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I currently have a little custom Chrome "search" called don (drupal org nid) that sends me to drupal.org/node/$whatever, so I open a browser tab, and type don 12345 and I find what I need.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>I don't mind changing it to send me to GL by default, but that'll only work if the IDs are preserved on migration, which it sounds like we can do, so yay. :tada:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>mstrelan</td> <td>Been wondering the same. Sounds ok for core but what about contrib?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>(and yeah, in GL it'll be a little more complicated, since I'll have to know the project name, not just the nid.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Maybe it's just because I'm used to it this way, but it sure is nice that all issues have an ID unique across all projects in our current world.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Core and contrib are the same, they’re all repositories with issues</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>But in the future, we'll have separate ID "namespaces" per project, so it'll be more complicated, since "12345" isn't enough, you also need $project_name.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>(not a huge burden, since you already needed $project_name to checkout the repo you're git blame'ing in, but another step)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>mstrelan</td> <td>So a brand new contrib gets its first issue, it's #1. The commit message is "Issue #1: Fixed some thing". Thats fine because its unique to the new contribExisting contrib has issue 3456789. Does that become 3456789 in gitlab and issue ids increment from there?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Yes, that's what it sounds like from @moshe's comments above.  We can preserve the legacy d.o NIDs as the new GL IDs during the migration.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>so migrated projects will have "big" issue IDs, and new projects will start from 1.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>In a year, we might have 100 migrated projects that all have issue 3389510 in them (or whatever), since they all had an issue close to that as their highest ID from the migration, and they've all had enough new GL issues that they're colliding with each other now.  But in GL, it's no prob, since you have to specify the project name.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>@moshe Do you know the future GL numbering behavior if you use iid during a new issue request?  Can you confirm that GL will always give out new numbers that are +1 from the current max ID?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>I am interested in the conversion of the components, related to <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-1"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3385864" title="Status: Active">#3385864: [Plan] Simplify core component list</a></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Will there be time to complete that issue before the move?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Looks like poor 5️⃣  needed some subthreads. :joy:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>OK making one now.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>That wasn't directed at you, sorry! I could have started new ones myself, too...</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>I think that’s a good question for @fjgarlin</td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td>the current migration script does not keep the issue ID but it does create the redirect.--as for the components simplification, we’ll take the ones available and set at the moment of running the migration. they’ll be converted to labels.if this were to be a blocker to make sure it’s agreed/fixed before running the migration, we need to indicate it clearly, otherwise the scripts will take whatever is there at the time.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>@fjgarlin: Is there an issue where I should comment with a strong plug for keeping the issue ID as part of the migration?  I think if we don't do that, we're going to make life fairly miserable for people doing git archeology.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>It's really going to suck if "Issue #12345" could mean two completely different things, and I always have to remember to check both places to figure out what's what.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/work_items/3295357" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/work_items/3295357</a></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td>That’s where most of the code lives</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Commented there. Thanks!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>moshe</td> <td>It would be prudent to do a migration somewhere public so we can shake out the bugs while other work is going on.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>We wouldn’t do it any other way</td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td>I commented on the above issue re trying to keep the IID, I think that might create a bigger problem that the redirects.-Note that all the redirects are created (including <a href="http://www.drupal.org/i/OLD-NID">www.drupal.org/i/OLD-NID</a> to git.drupalcode.org/project/PROJECT/issues/IID )</td> </tr> </table> <h2>5️⃣.1️⃣ What happens to the issue component list</h2> <table> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>There is a core issue to simplify that list, <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link project-issue-status-info project-issue-status-1"><a href="https://www.drupal.org/project/drupal/issues/3385864" title="Status: Active">#3385864: [Plan] Simplify core component list</a></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>larowlan</td> <td>I assume these become tags/labels? (edited)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>larowlan</td> <td>But also keen to know more</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>I think it is difficult to do in an issue so I am exploring using a card sort tool .</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>From the other thread, @quietone’s question was also if we'll have time to complete this work on d.o issues before the migration to GL issues</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Realistically, core issues won’t move for months, so as long as the bike shed doesn’t have too many surfaces to paint, sure</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>After migration, some issue housekeeping can be automated like <a href="https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/support/readiness/operations/docs/gitlab/triage_bot/#:~:text=Triage%20bot%20utilizes%20policies%20to,and%20what%20to%20actually%20do">https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/support/readiness/operations/docs/gitlab/triage_bot/#:~:text=Triage%20bot%20utilizes%20policies%20to,and%20what%20to%20actually%20do</a>.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>When is the move of issues expected to happen?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>larowlan</td> <td>the core bikeshed design was modelled on a 30 sided polyhedra dice so there is lots of surfaces to paint :joy:</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>When we’ve migrated enough projects to feel comfortable with the migration process, we’ll start talking to core maintainers to get it scheduled</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Any idea of how soon that could be?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>larowlan</td> <td>if you want guinea pig projects, happy to volunteer</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>3-6 months, maybe? Its a pretty big guess</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>That is fine, it gives me something to work with.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>I expect project browser to still be prioritized higher than issue migration, so probably longer if anything</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Is there an issue somewhere showing the mapping of the Issue meta fields to Gitlab?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>GitLab labels are pretty free-form, so there isn’t much to it. They have scoped labels, so those will map like Priority:Major, Status:Active. All there really is to decide is if we want to lowercase them or if we need to do something with the spaces</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Is there an issue where those decisions are being made?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Is there a dummy project where we could see examples for the suggestions as real scoped labels?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Juraj Nemec</td> <td>Maybe this: <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602</a></span> ? + it links to the issue where is the implementation being done</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Not that exactly, we migrate everything as-is, not much to discuss. And that issue is more about the defaults for new projects, and what maintainers can decide or what’s set for all projects. Not every project has to have the same statuses, priorities, etc</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>All existing metadata is migrated regardless</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>So "status" is just a free-form label in GL?  There's no special significance?  Will we still be able to see color coded tables? :grin:  Will we be able to automate things to change status, "close" issues, etc?  Is that even going to be possible in GL, or will anyone always be able to "reopen" issues at any time?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Maintainers can all pick their own colors</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Well, unless we decide something like status:* is always there for every project, then we’ve picked the color</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Juraj Nemec</td> <td>So none of these will be group labels (shared between all projects)?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>GitLab has open/closed status, so we add the rest with our own scoped label</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>We could make some at the group level, so every project has them always. Personally, I think we should go light on that, too much workflow is cumbersome for smaller projects. But if we need something, we can do it. For example, might need to make reason for being closed global, so we can have consistent rules for credit</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Well, unless we decide something like status:* is always there for every project, then we’ve picked the colorWhere is this being discussed?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td><span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602</a></span> I need to update that issue to make it more clear</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>But you said that is for new projects, what about core?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>Looks like it's also about the discussion for what should be global vs. per-project.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>(which would impact core at some level)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>Ah, thanks!</td> </tr> <tr> <td>quietone</td> <td>So, do the select meta fields become scoped labels?</td> </tr> <tr> <td>drumm</td> <td>Yes</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Juraj Nemec</td> <td>I think it is reasonable to consider at least some of them to become global (probably at least status + category), as I can imagine the mess what can happen if this will be free-to-edit per project. I think we are partly responsible for contrib projects as well, so they should look at least a bit uniform. It should not happen that a contributor goes from one contrib repo to another and has to explore how differently it goes there.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>@Juraj Nemec That's a totally reasonable perspective that I mostly support.  The trouble is that a lot of the issue metadata (especially status) are imposing a workflow that's very code-centric, and we have many projects that aren't code.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>dww</td> <td>So we've got to somewhat strike a delicate balance of providing a uniform experience for contributors, while letting projects that need all of core's process can do it, without imposing that complication on other projects that don't want or need it.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td>it needs updating and re-checking things as last changes were on October 2022, but <a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/merge_requests/105/diffs">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/merge_requests/105/diffs</a> / <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/work_items/3295357" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupalorg/-/work_items/3295357</a></span> has most of the relevant code.most metadata will go as scoped labels (<a href="https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/labels.html#scoped-labels">https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/labels.html#scoped-labels</a>), following category::value naming. some labels are global, some are specific to the project.</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Juraj Nemec</td> <td>@fjgarlin Would you have some time please to update the IS here <span class="drupalorg-gitlab-issue-link drupalorg-gitlab-link-wrapper"><a href="https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602" class="drupalorg-gitlab-link">https://git.drupalcode.org/project/infrastructure/-/work_items/3254602</a></span> with the information how each field is migrated in the current implementation (also if the specific label is global/per project, etc..)? It would help so that we can review it</td> </tr> <tr> <td>fjgarlin</td> <td>sure! I’ll add it to my todo list.</td> </tr> </table> <p>Participants:</p> <p>cmlara, longwave, hestenet, bbrala, andypost, catch, moshe, drumm, dww, poker10, mstrelan, quietone, fjgarlin, larowlan</p>

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